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 Black Bear
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C'est Joan!
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| Re: Guest post by Maren [message #23790 is a reply to message #23787 ] |
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That was an very interesting "guide to Joan" - thanks Maren! What an amazing young woman - and a desperate shame that it had to end the way it did.
I've got a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel ~ Blackadder
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| Re: Guest post by Maren [message #23792 is a reply to message #23788 ] |
Sun, 29 November 2009 00:04 |
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| GraceNotes wrote on Sat, 28 November 2009 21:48 |
Very interesting post. What piqued your interest in researching Joan? Why is she called Jeanne D'Arc? What is the "arc"?
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D'Arc is French for Of Arc. While normally it would mean she was from a town called Arc, it's actually an approximation of her father's surname. You can find more details here.
And oh how I envy your travels! I do wish to travel the world when I (haha) have enough money.
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This is goodnight and not goodbye.
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| Re: Guest post by Maren [message #23796 is a reply to message #23787 ] |
Sun, 29 November 2009 03:29 |
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Thank you, Maren, for an interesting post and great pictures. I like the modern church, by the way.
The trial is a nice example of going through the motions to reach a predetermined conclusion.
Several Englishmen who were present at her execution later admitted to sharing the fear of damnation felt by King Henry VI’s secretary Jean Tressard, who said, “We are all lost, for we have burnt a good and holy person.”
I suppose, since Henry VI went mad and England lost its French territories and went through the Wars of the Roses, Tressard's premonition can be said to have come true.
"The point of books is to have way too many but to always feel you never have enough . . . " Louise Erdrich
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| Re: Guest post by Maren [message #23809 is a reply to message #23787 ] |
Sun, 29 November 2009 12:18 |
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Thanks Maren - what an interesting post.
I saw a French movie Jeanne la Pucelle a few years back - it was quite long, and felt very authentic. It must have been from the 90s - have you seen it, and if you have, how historically accurate did you feel it was?
For me, it did for Jeanne d'Arc what Elizabeth R did for Elizabeth and The Six Wives of Henry VIII did for Henry & wives (if I have a soft spot for Henry VIII, it's all Keith Michell's fault!)
Why, I feel all thin, sort of stretched, if you know what I mean, like butter that has been scraped over too much bread.
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| Re: Guest post by Maren [message #23815 is a reply to message #23792 ] |
Sun, 29 November 2009 15:57 |
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Maren
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| Kuro wrote on Sun, 29 November 2009 00:04 |
And oh how I envy your travels! I do wish to travel the world when I (haha) have enough money.
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Check into study abroad if you haven't already! A lot of schools work it so tuition is the same as on-campus and their students can still apply merit or need-based scholarships or federal loans. Even if you can't get away for a whole semester or school year, there are shorter classes in the summer and even during spring break. And they're not limited to language classes--you can do art, history, business, pretty much anything. My undergrad college does an annual January excursion to the Galapagos Islands that counts as a biology class.
I was lucky to find a French MA program (shameless plug) that incorporated a year in France* and paid full tuition and housing, even for non-residents of Ohio. This was really too good to be true and sadly I note that it apparently won't be after this year. But still, it's best to go when you're a student or under 25 because at least in Europe you'll get reduced-price train tickets, museum/monument entries**, etc.
*or Québec, but the only student in my cohort who took that option was Canadian. No offense Québec. 
**I took Art History in Avignon as an undergrad from a Corsican reprobate. He made all of us American students fake art school IDs which got us into all the museums in Paris for FREE--including a special exhibit at the Pompidou Center that I later found out cost about $80 normally. I'm not saying everyone should make fake IDs, but if anyone here is in real art school, get thee to Paris.
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| Re: Guest post by Maren [message #23823 is a reply to message #23815 ] |
Sun, 29 November 2009 18:13 |
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| Maren wrote on Sun, 29 November 2009 12:57 |
but if anyone here is in real art school, get thee to Paris.
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Even if you're not in art school, but are a student. Not everything is free, of course, but a lot of stuff is half off. Or was. It helps, however, if your school is one of those that puts the year that the ID is valid on the card (my undergrad school didn't, so they didn't have to keep reissuing thousands (or however many) of cards every year, and explaining this to the skeptics at the museum entrance desk was not always easy). Or you can get the International Student ID card (it was about $25, I think, when I got it, but that was a few years ago now) which negates that problem.
And really, this applies all over France (or at least, all over the France that I've experienced), not just Paris. Museums seem to tend to be rather less expensive to get into than a similar museum would be around here, though, even if you're not a student. Which is nice, after you've spent all your money to get to the country in the first place 
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| Re: Guest post by Maren [message #23834 is a reply to message #23810 ] |
Sun, 29 November 2009 20:55 |
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Gracenotes, I'll PM you and see if we can figure out your commenting problem.
And as a Joan scholar myself--well done, Maren! Joan's story never ceases to amaze and inspire me. As her testimony is a first-person account of her experiences (albeit possibly altered, as she couldn't read Latin and didn't sign off on the transcripts) she's right up there with a very few other women of the medieval period whose own words are available to us. One is Margery Kempe, who's a bit of a soggy blanket but fascinating nonetheless, and another is Hildegard von Bingen, who was a scientist, a composer, a theologian, a playwright... But no one is quite like Joan in the sheer impact of their direct actions.
I heard Pernoud give a paper at a conference a long time back; I'd not realized the paper would be given in French, and as my French is abysmal, I had to settle for following along on a hastily (and badly) translated English version. I'm partial to Sackville-West's bio, probably because she spends a lot of time on the battles.
"The time is always right to do what's right."--MLK Jr.
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