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make that 3 of us[whine]lol.
Bonnie Holmes the faster ahead I go, the more behind I get
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| Re: Therapeutic effects [message #13401 is a reply to message #13375 ] |
Mon, 23 March 2009 02:07 |
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 Diane in MN
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| Robin wrote on Sun, 22 March 2009 18:44 |
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH WOLFGANG. This was his yearly check up! He's ALLOWED to have a few parts replaced!!! And they appear to have FIXED the strange lumpy steering! Yaaay! [clinging to her car]
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There's nothing wrong with clinging! My megavan is twelve and a half years old, doesn't look it, and runs beautifully except for sucking up gasoline (and I'm going to have the injectors cleaned, which will, hopefully, help that). If it needed to have something replaced, it would be a whole lot better deal for me than buying a new van. Go Wolfgang!
"The point of books is to have way too many but to always feel you never have enough . . . " Louise Erdrich
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| Re: Therapeutic effects [message #13413 is a reply to message #13375 ] |
Mon, 23 March 2009 10:33 |
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| Robin wrote on Sun, 22 March 2009 16:44 |
| anne_d wrote on Sun, 22 March 2009 10:11 |
1)I'm glad the black clouds of ME are starting to lift, and hope for them to dissipate entirely as soon as possible.
2) I enjoy the blog. I enjoy the excerpts. However, I also enjoy actual books I can hold in my hand and read wherever and whenever I want, so you can publish an entire book online and I'll still buy the hard copy. Virtual books are just not as good as real books. For whatever that's worth. Think of the online excerpts as little samples to get the reader hooked... Robin McKinley, pusher. 
3) "Ratbag" is now part of my vernacular, as is "sucks dead bears", by the way.
4) Peter does indeed sound like a paragon among men. I'm glad you have him.
5) Perhaps it is time to let Wolfgang pass on to the great garage in the sky. [hugs]
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'Robin McKinley, pusher'. I'm so PROUD. Also of ratbag and dead bears.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH WOLFGANG. This was his yearly check up! He's ALLOWED to have a few parts replaced!!! And they appear to have FIXED the strange lumpy steering! Yaaay! [clinging to her car]
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As long as Wolfgang has been certified as safe to drive by your car guys, you should cling to him for as long as you can.
Having driven a car that stalled at busy intersections because we couldn't afford a replacement at the time, I worry about these things. I worry a lot.
"The creative urge can come out in any form: in embroidery, in... cooking, in painting, drawing and sculpture, in composing music, as well as in writing books and stories... the artist's inner satisfaction was probably much the same." ~ Agatha Christie
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| Re: Therapeutic effects [message #13434 is a reply to message #13430 ] |
Mon, 23 March 2009 19:42 |
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| Robin wrote on Mon, 23 March 2009 19:34 |
If we had less good car guys, I would worry a LOT more. Our car guys are almost another reason to live in England as far as I'm concerned. I find cars VERY worrying because they're so NECESSARY and so . . . enigmatic. A bit like computers. . . . Although I would NEVER feel safe driving a computer at 70 mph, even if it was JUST out of the shop with a new license.
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So this would be a bad time to tell you that most cars have computers in them these days?
(And your emails and forum posts go way faster than 70mph? You're like, what, 3000 miles away from Virginia? I'm not even going to attempt math, but at 70mph, it'd take a *long* time to get here. ;) )
Smooshes!
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| Re: Therapeutic effects [message #13447 is a reply to message #13424 ] |
Mon, 23 March 2009 20:19 |
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| Robin wrote on Mon, 23 March 2009 19:25 |
You people are WEIRD. (You'd get along with Peter though. He too wants to arrange books by SIZE.) I think part of the fun is that books are DIFFERENT SIZES AND SHAPES AND COLOURS. Although I admit I suffer Distress when the different sizes, shapes and colours DON'T LOOK NICE TOGETHER. *Or* don't fit on the shelves. . . . Life is difficult . . .
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I never claimed to not be weird, mind. My issue with trade vs. mass market is that I built my SF/F bookshelf, which I am still resolutely clinging to, before trade became the norm. The shelves are not the right size for trade pb or hb, esp at the edges under the shelf supports, and I am rather obsessive about keeping it all in alpha order by Author. YOU I can manage, since you're just at the bottom right corner and I can boost Chalice over to the larger auxiliary shelf; but there's no hope for William Gibson's latest, he's splat in the middle and not available in mass market at all anymore. Good thing Morrow comes after McKinley or I'd be whining about him, too.
Oh, and the other thing about mass market size is I can fit it into the pocket of my jacket without bending it... This is a big plus when you like to travel light!
"The time is always right to do what's right."--MLK Jr.
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| Re: Therapeutic effects [message #13459 is a reply to message #13310 ] |
Mon, 23 March 2009 21:01 |
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write on a book that is not the author's autograph!are you nuts.absolutely positively not!!!!!!!!
Bonnie Holmes the faster ahead I go, the more behind I get
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| Re: Therapeutic effects [message #13460 is a reply to message #13453 ] |
Mon, 23 March 2009 21:02 |
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| Robin wrote on Mon, 23 March 2009 20:50 |
Dare I mention putting books in END WISE. Then you hold such a book together FIRMLY and write title and author across the edge of the bottom pages, so you can still see what you've got when it's on the shelf end out. You're all running away screaming, right?
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Sacrilege!
Apostrophes. I can't believe I even *know* you. *sniff*
;)
Smooshes!
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| Re: Therapeutic effects [message #13462 is a reply to message #13453 ] |
Mon, 23 March 2009 21:04 |
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Susan from Athens
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| Robin wrote on Tue, 24 March 2009 02:50 |
I entirely agree about the pocket-sizedness of mass market. I wouldn't want to be WITHOUT mass market (at least as long as my eyes can read the typeface).
Dare I mention putting books in END WISE. Then you hold such a book together FIRMLY and write title and author across the edge of the bottom pages, so you can still see what you've got when it's on the shelf end out. You're all running away screaming, right?
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AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH
No, no, no, take me away, please....
Not endwise, not writing on the edge no....
Please noooooooo.
“I have always imagined heaven to be a kind of library.” –Jorge Luis Borges
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| Re: Therapeutic effects [message #13467 is a reply to message #13401 ] |
Mon, 23 March 2009 22:56 |
judith
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| Diane in MN wrote on Mon, 23 March 2009 02:07 |
| Robin wrote on Sun, 22 March 2009 18:44 |
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH WOLFGANG. This was his yearly check up! He's ALLOWED to have a few parts replaced!!! And they appear to have FIXED the strange lumpy steering! Yaaay! [clinging to her car]
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There's nothing wrong with clinging! My megavan is twelve and a half years old, doesn't look it, and runs beautifully except for sucking up gasoline (and I'm going to have the injectors cleaned, which will, hopefully, help that). If it needed to have something replaced, it would be a whole lot better deal for me than buying a new van. Go Wolfgang!
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My Suburban is just a bit over 12. I still think of it as a new car, and smile every time I see it. Someone said to me a few days ago that I'd probably be replacing it in a year or so, and I reacted in horrified outrage. I don't LIKE the new ones. I'm planning to keep it at least another ten years or so, or until it falls apart.
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Mon, 23 March 2009 23:02 |
judith
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I know there’s abundant discussion about whether posting a significant wodge of something actually encourages people to buy the cow. And I know Neil Gaiman posted the entire AMERICAN GODS–and that there was a lot of mooing about that, which I believe ended with Neil looking very clever and foresightful and ahead of the herd. But what works for Neil Gaiman may not work for the rest of us kittle-cattle, I have no idea where the fence lines run, and I’m a worrier. Someone else is going to have to be all bold and brave and test it out. When everybody is posting entire chapters of their new novels months before publication and everybody including Merrilee and my publisher are shouting, For frell’s sake, McKinley, loosen up!, I’ll do it too. Well, maybe. I may not. I may go all different-drummer and march off singing loudly to myself with my fingers in my ears.
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Hell, Robin, I wouldn't do it. Admittedly, I love the excerpts too, and my (unsolicited) advice is hardly self-serving here, but it doesn't make sense to me to put out excerpts or snippets in amounts more than enough to whet the reader's appetite to buy the commercial product. Unless a LOT of people in the business (including your lawyer!) advise you to the contrary, I think your instincts are right on.
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| Re: Therapeutic effects [message #13469 is a reply to message #13310 ] |
Mon, 23 March 2009 23:12 |
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Well ... I agree with all sides here. Mass-market for portability and price. Trade for type-size and pretty covers, but truly they sometimes don't fit and are sorta expensive. Hardback for a book that will last, only these days I get them from the library instead of the bookstore usually, due to the budget. Also a disadvantage of hardbacks, and some trades, is that they are just too durn big and heavy. They make my wrists hurt, save while reading while eating, when I can prop them on the table (my mother never did cure me of books at meals, at least when I am alone).
For my birthday a year ago, however, I spent the price of about fifteen hardbacks and got me an e-book reader. In its protective case, it's a little smaller and half the thickness of a trade pb. It holds more books than I will probably ever put in it, all at the same time. If I forget my reading glasses, I can enlarge the type up to ridiculous sizes. It is very easy on the eyes to read, and the battery lasts for weeks.
It will NEVER replace the look and feel of real books on the shelf or in my hands. But for travel, or for having a handy book any time I want one, or for getting a book inexpensively at 3am when I have "nothing to read" (from Baen Books or Fictionwise) it's really great. Currently it has about 200 volumes on its SD card, with room for LOTS more.
Abigail
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Tue, 24 March 2009 00:43 |
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----quote from therapeutic effects----We got back to the car just in time however, there was a horde teeming up over the crest of the hill and starting to spill down the other side toward us as we peeled out of there. I could see their proper hiking boots and their map cases from where we were, and their little glinty eyes.
----end of quote---
Little glinty eyes! There's something about all the folks in their proper patagonia and their sharp-shinned legs that really can make you laugh or run for cover. I used to ride my bike a lot, but never went in for the full-body spandex. Come on, at MY speed, a little bit of slippery material is NOT exactly going to change the outcome.
Thanks for sharing your daily adventures.
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Tue, 24 March 2009 03:40 |
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| Robin wrote on Mon, 23 March 2009 19:25 |
You people are WEIRD. (You'd get along with Peter though. He too wants to arrange books by SIZE.) I think part of the fun is that books are DIFFERENT SIZES AND SHAPES AND COLOURS. Although I admit I suffer Distress when the different sizes, shapes and colours DON'T LOOK NICE TOGETHER. *Or* don't fit on the shelves. . . . Life is difficult . . .
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I organise my books according to Author. Like the library. When I was in school I spent a LOT of time in the library. In fact I went through a phase of labelling the spines of all my books in the library way. Of course I had too many and I got bored. So I never finished that little job. But I still order them on the shelf by author. How else would I find them?! hehe
I've got a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel ~ Blackadder
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Tue, 24 March 2009 03:43 |
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| Robin wrote on Mon, 23 March 2009 20:50 |
Dare I mention putting books in END WISE. Then you hold such a book together FIRMLY and write title and author across the edge of the bottom pages, so you can still see what you've got when it's on the shelf end out. You're all running away screaming, right?
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*faints*
*struggles upright*
Well. If you arrange them all by Author and make sure the first book for each author is spine first then you can put some in end wise and still know who they are by.
I should have been a librarian. How did I end up a farmer?! LOL
I've got a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel ~ Blackadder
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| Re: Therapeutic effects [message #13493 is a reply to message #13468 ] |
Tue, 24 March 2009 07:31 |
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| judith wrote on Mon, 23 March 2009 23:02 |
Hell, Robin, I wouldn't do it. Admittedly, I love the excerpts too, and my (unsolicited) advice is hardly self-serving here, but it doesn't make sense to me to put out excerpts or snippets in amounts more than enough to whet the reader's appetite to buy the commercial product. Unless a LOT of people in the business (including your lawyer!) advise you to the contrary, I think your instincts are right on.
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Goodness me, YES! I don't think it's worth getting up in arms about piracy unless you're a Harlequin author. (There's a specific issue about monthly fiction with short shelf lives and loyalty to publisher/brand instead of authors.)
But the entire point of snippets and sample chapters is to encourage people to buy the book. I don't think a couple of chapters from the start/middle will hurt though. After all, people usually buy the book because they want to read it to the END.
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Tue, 24 March 2009 12:40 |
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| Mrs Redboots wrote on Tue, 24 March 2009 07:41 |
I have over 200 titles on mine, all of which I got for free from manybooks.net, the Baen free library or elsewhere. Perfect for travelling, and I do find I read an awful lot on it even when I'm not travelling!
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Aha, another aficionado! By "mine" do you mean you have a Cybook? or another reader like Kindle, Sony, etc? I am both heartened by the wider spread of the e-book idea generated by the buzz about Kindles, and made apprehensive. Kindle files from Amazon don't run on other devices, and Amazon, I think, owns Mobipocket, so I see a great probability that they will cease to support it so as to try to create a monopoly for themselves.
Thank so much for the Manybooks site. I have gotten a few boks from Project Gutenberg, but their formatting is ... rudimentary. and Manybooks is so EASY to use.
Abigail
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| Re: Therapeutic effects [message #13509 is a reply to message #13310 ] |
Tue, 24 March 2009 15:34 |
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For small print there are always magnifying glasses - although, it is of course more difficult to learn to use them as an adult. (I cannot seem to convince my mother to use one, and she's having more and more trouble with small print now.) For me using a magnifying glass is so habitual that I've real trouble reading Large Print...
And I also sort my books alphabetically after author (except anthologies and such, which generally are sorted after title). All kinds of sizes all mixed up together - luckily the shelves are fairly high, but a few books are sideways. And no I would never write on them!!! Anyway, I know where they are and I can't read the titles on the books anyway unless I take the book out of the bookcase and hold it an inch or two from my eye... But for those more fortunate sightwise (I heard once that in visually disabled circles the blind often call those who are sighted "sight capitalists"), one could always put labels on the book shelf itself... Although there would be the nuisance of shifting those labels, when the authors shifted after new books were added...
Why, I feel all thin, sort of stretched, if you know what I mean, like butter that has been scraped over too much bread.
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| Re: Therapeutic effects [message #13510 is a reply to message #13508 ] |
Tue, 24 March 2009 15:40 |
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Definitely a pricey toy, but I feel that it has been worth it, and I hope it will last for a good many more years. One caution -- I don't know if you know that a number of owners have suffered the disaster of having the screen break, which costs a good deal to get fixed. Evidently the screen is pretty fragile, so don't let it get poked by the corner of something in your handbag, and be careful how hard you press on the surrounding frame.
I hadn't heard of Suduvu, thanks, I'll check it out. I am a "barfly" of long standing on the Baen's Bar forum, which is a fun place, if you stay out of the Politics conference (very bad for the blood pressure). I hang out mostly in Lois Bujold's conference, and at Binjali's, the area for Sharon Lee, Steve Miller, and friends of Clan Korval.
Abigail
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