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Fri, 20 March 2009 20:13

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Fugue

Smooshes!

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Fri, 20 March 2009 20:18

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† Why I Don’t Read Yarn Harlot Regularly. Or, for that matter, Jodi Meadows.

BWAA HA HA *snrfle*! Smile

I’ve seen Jesus Christ Superstar, back when he was still just some guy, and Evita. That’s enough. Stephen Sondheim wipes the floor with Andrew.

I'm with you there. I saw--god help me--"Starlight Express" on my first-ever trip to London. Yes, the one where they're all trains and they're on roller skates. The skating was kind of amazing; the music, highly forgettable.

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Fri, 20 March 2009 20:27

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*deep breath*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAahahahahahahahahahaha

Oh man, I wish I could even *pretend* to be surprised, but I'm afraid I can't. Sorry, Robin. I tried really hard for about two minutes (eternity to a ferret!) but it just didn't happen.

That Oisin, I think he's a worse influence on you than all of us combined. ;)

Smooshes!

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Fri, 20 March 2009 20:32

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Hehehehehehe
*snork*

You do realise you could have started off with a little organ. As opposed to the Giant Real Deal one? But then again I know you like to do things properly. Wink

Imagine if Oisin had dragged Handel out of the music satchel as well ..... *dreams*. Which reminds me... I should find that CD...

And speaking of rosarian challenges.... that stinking, frelling rabbit (or hare??) is back and stripping not only the rose bushes (my poor Riene des Violettes and Jude the Obscure!) but also the baby orange tree. @#@!@!^@%!!!

I've got a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel ~ Blackadder

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Fri, 20 March 2009 20:40

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*Haaaaaaate* rabbits. Only thing worse is deer. Trap? At least you CAN trap a rabbit. Deer . . . not so much. Prettier to watch though, so long as it's not YOUR garden they're bounding over.

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Fri, 20 March 2009 21:05

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Stephen Sondheim wipes the floor with Andrew.

Very much so!! I just about cried when I found out Webber wrote a sequel to Phantom and is having it produced...

"remember, it's called a play... that means you should PLAY"

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Fri, 20 March 2009 22:57

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Creek wrote on Fri, 20 March 2009 21:05

Stephen Sondheim wipes the floor with Andrew.

Very much so!! I just about cried when I found out Webber wrote a sequel to Phantom and is having it produced...

Wait. WHAT?!!!

Nooooooooo~

I do like Webber. In very limited amounts.

Sondheim, however, totally wipes the floor with him. Love, love, love Into the Woods. The only musical I've worked on that I enjoyed listening to the soundtrack at the same time I was working it (I can only barely listen to others, like Threepenny Opera, some four years later).

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Fri, 20 March 2009 23:14

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Mori-neko wrote on Fri, 20 March 2009 22:57

Creek wrote on Fri, 20 March 2009 21:05

I just about cried when I found out Webber wrote a sequel to Phantom and is having it produced...

Wait. WHAT?!!!

Nooooooooo~

Unfortunately, yes and he wants to open it simultaneously in three cities.

"remember, it's called a play... that means you should PLAY"

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Fri, 20 March 2009 23:50

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b_twin_1 wrote on Fri, 20 March 2009 20:32

Imagine if Oisin had dragged Handel out of the music satchel as well .....

Or Buxtehude... one of those wonderful German baroque organ composers. (Though I think I love him partly for his name. Honestly, Buxtehude? How much better can you get? Englebert Humperdink, maybe, but it's pretty stiff competition.)

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Sat, 21 March 2009 00:42

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Creek wrote on Fri, 20 March 2009 21:05

Stephen Sondheim wipes the floor with Andrew.

Very much so!! I just about cried when I found out Webber wrote a sequel to Phantom and is having it produced...

*plugs ears* La la la la la la, can't hear you!

Smooshes!

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Sat, 21 March 2009 01:32

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Robin wrote on Fri, 20 March 2009 19:40

*Haaaaaaate* rabbits. Only thing worse is deer. Trap? At least you CAN trap a rabbit. Deer . . . not so much. Prettier to watch though, so long as it's not YOUR garden they're bounding over.

Oh lordy be, #%$%*&@ deer. We have a lot around here, comfortably suburban ones that roam in packs through the neighborhood. They understand about fences, so are not at all put off by Great Danes on the other side of one. One of my neighbors feeds them. Aaarrrgh mutter mutter mutter . . .

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Sat, 21 March 2009 01:34

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blondviolinist wrote on Fri, 20 March 2009 22:50

Or Buxtehude... one of those wonderful German baroque organ composers. (Though I think I love him partly for his name. Honestly, Buxtehude? How much better can you get?

YES.

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Sat, 21 March 2009 01:50

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I told Oisin once that I found it a very bullying noise which seems to have made sense to him, fortunately

Have you ever come across this piece?

http://www.stpaulskingsville.org/organist.htm

I sent it to a friend who is a pianist and organist some years ago and she still laughs over it when I see her.

I find that organ music is either splendid to hear (e.g., a Bach fugue) or entirely tedious (e.g., nondescript vaguely ecclesiastical meanderings). Hard to generalize about it.

If normal human beings go to the opera, which is perhaps debatable.

Normality is not the only game in town, of course . . . Smile

[Updated on: Sat, 21 March 2009 01:53]

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Sat, 21 March 2009 02:38

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Creek wrote on Sat, 21 March 2009 12:05

Stephen Sondheim wipes the floor with Andrew.

Very much so!! I just about cried when I found out Webber wrote a sequel to Phantom and is having it produced...

Err that is 10 kinds of WRONG. I mean dear ALW is a nice guy and all, but err NO! Totally agree with the Sondheim sentiment - he is much nicer to sing as well - more logical without the ridiculous key signatures ALW seems to adore. (I mean come on 5!!! flats...)

As for Organs, NOTHING compares with hearing the organ in St Pauls in London. I <3 that organ so badly. I have heard it twice in all its glory. Once doing I think it was St Matthews Passion (I was secreted in a corner with a friend of mine and her then boyfriend and it was just WONDERFUL, singing, and soaring strings and this lovely strident organ) and once about 8ish on a November night, when there was all of about 10 ppl in the cathedral doing an access all areas explore (I loved our chaplin at college, he had all SORTS of intersting contacts), and the principal organist was practicing carols for the next CD they were recording. Mistakes on organs are VERY obvious Smile

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Sat, 21 March 2009 04:22

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Just for the record, I loooooooved Jesus Christ Superstar. Wink

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Sat, 21 March 2009 04:49

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Something about this entry and the comments about church organ music sparked a recollection about an absolutely delightful set of YA books set in a northern English cathedral town, wherein the protagonists are mostly choirboys. Incidents involve choirboy mischief, exploring the organ, action sequences in foiling would-be thieves of the lead on the church roof, and much more. I racked my brains for a title or the author, and eventually remembered one character's full name, from which Google obligingly supplied full information. Imagine my delight to find there are three related books I have not read. Coupled with dismay at the difficulty in obtaining them. My library used to have some of these, but has evidently "de-acquisitioned" them. The Dallas Public Library (an hour away) has most of them in reference, non-circulating. Hmmm. Anyway, my thanks to you and Oisin for being the catalysts to bring these back to me.

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Sat, 21 March 2009 06:28

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Creek wrote on Sat, 21 March 2009 01:05

Stephen Sondheim wipes the floor with Andrew.

Very much so!! I just about cried when I found out Webber wrote a sequel to Phantom and is having it produced...

Sigh. I like Lloyd Webber in small doses. But unfortunately an awful lot of his songs are serious earworms, and you end up humming them without even realising it. Daughter, twenty years or so ago now: "Mummy, you are humming. Mummy, you are humming out of tune. Mummy, you are humming ANDREW LLOYD WEBBER!" You can tell which was worst.....

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Sat, 21 March 2009 07:04

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Oooohhhh, Robin. I was half weeping with envy as I read this blog entry.

I WANT OISIN IN *MY* LIFE TOO!!

WANT WANT WANT!

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Back in the early days in England when I seemed to have time for things occasionally, I used to go to evensong at churches and abbeys big enough to have good choirs and big organs and revel. I tend to be a voice person, so I’d be going ostensibly for the choir; but sometimes it was the organ solos that made the earth move and the heavens open.

Reminds me of the time I, without planning, walked in on a rehearsal of the St. Thomas Boys' Choir in NYC. They made me weep with the quality of their singing.

(Sad to say, I later heard them in concert about ten years later, and their quality had greatly diminished.)

Elgar did organ music? Must check that out...

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Sat, 21 March 2009 13:45

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there are couple songs on the JCS soundtrack that I very much enjoy, ditto my boyfriend. I've seen Phantom and Cats, and enjoyed the pair of them as well. Webber is very good at... sheer spectacle.

Sondheim appeals to me on so many levels, though. He's more fun to sing, to play, to watch... He appeals to the music geek and the word geek in me (something about rhyming "ask it" and "basket"...). There's fantastic parody done by Forbidden Broadway called "Into the Words".

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Sat, 21 March 2009 18:28

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And all the things you can do with an organ: half a dozen keyboards and four thousand and six variable stops per.

I think those organs originating in 'sarf-east' England also have 'glottal stops'. Makes for an interesting variation in tone... Smile

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The jungle’s in the kitchen again tonight, and the garden is dotted with plant-fleece bags.

Just something about that sentence reminds me of Flanders and Swann.

I hope that you feel a lot better tomorrow.

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Sat, 21 March 2009 19:28

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Oh, I'm sorry, I love Threepenny--although I love Beggars' Opera more.

And I'm a SWEENEY TODD girl. I think INTO THE WOODS comes apart in the last act. But I have rather strong opinions about fairy tales for some reason. . . . :)

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Sat, 21 March 2009 19:29

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Remember not to go. :)

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Sat, 21 March 2009 19:30

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Buxtehude . . . hmmm. . . . Yes. . . . :)

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Sat, 21 March 2009 19:31

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OH GODS. Like the MORONS that stand around feeding the SQUIRRELS and PIGEONS in public parks. ARRRRRRRRGH. This ought to be ILLEGAL.

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Sat, 21 March 2009 19:35

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Diane in MN wrote on Sat, 21 March 2009 01:50

SNORK. I will send that link to Oisin.

And yes, is there anything more boring than the standard hymm accompaniment? But like Finale trying to make an organ noise come out of a laptop, I'm not sure that's entirely the organ's fault.

And thank the gods normality is NOT the only game in town. :)

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Sat, 21 March 2009 19:40

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[quote title=judith wrote on Sat, 21 March 2009 07:04]Oooohhhh, Robin. I was half weeping with envy as I read this blog entry.

I WANT OISIN IN *MY* LIFE TOO!!

WANT WANT WANT!

. . . This is another of the things I was thinking about this afternoon, as I wrestled with that third staff. Most ordinary run of the mill as it were parlour composers would probably KILL for the opportunity to have a live organ to play with (note I do not say play ON, with reference to someone just mentioning that errors on an organ are VERY OBVIOUS) and here I am going all squeamish about it?!? Well, *yes,* but I'm striving to overcome this failing . . .

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Sat, 21 March 2009 19:41

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Robin wrote on Sat, 21 March 2009 19:28

I worked on Threepenny because I really enjoy the show (even better, the next season that theatre did A Chorus of Disapproval... which takes place backstage at an amateur production of Begger's Opera). I'm just now starting to be able to listen to it again.

Sweeney Todd I like, but it just doesn't quite do it for me. I -adore- A Little Night Music, saw a production of it for my birthday a couple years back.

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Sat, 21 March 2009 19:43

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Mori-neko wrote

Sondheim appeals to me on so many levels, though. He's more fun to sing, to play, to watch... He appeals to the music geek and the word geek in me (something about rhyming "ask it" and "basket"...). There's fantastic parody done by Forbidden Broadway called "Into the Words".[/quote]

Yes. Agree. I don't think I've earned the sobriquet 'music geek' (yet) but . . . yes. :) Is the Forbidden Broadway available/watchable/readable anywhere?

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Sat, 21 March 2009 19:46

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Agree on Little Night! Adore, adore! Also adore Pacific Overtures which doesn't get nearly enough attention. (Am left totally cold by Company which is a lot of people's favourite. I feel that ANYONE can write a musical about a bunch of neurotic New Yorkers . . . I think I have a bad attitude. . . . :)) I hope you didn't make the mistake of seeing the movie of SWEENEY.

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Sat, 21 March 2009 19:49

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I did see the movie. Enjoyed it, but it definitely doesn't match up to the original.

Company I've heard, but am a bit 'meh' on. Assassins doesn't have the best music/writing, but the concept gets me every time. Pacific Overtures, I'm not familiar with. Think I need to go hunt it down. Smile

As far as shows about neurotic New Yorkers, I'll take Tick, Tick, Boom by Johnathan Larson (and you can -totally- tell he was Sondheim's protoge).

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Sat, 21 March 2009 19:52

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Hmm, don't know it. Should I hunt it up/down?

Was creeped out by Assassins! Never settled down to find out if I liked it or not! :)

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Sat, 21 March 2009 19:57

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Tick, Tick, Boom is semi-autobiographical. Very catchy music.

I can definitely see the creep factor to Assassins, but the concept of it definitely amuses me (and only Sondheim can pull it off).

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Sun, 22 March 2009 01:32

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I must confess to liking ALW (whom I know is controversial); part of it is having grown up on the song Memory (I don't know if I can adequately express the extent to which this song was woven into the fabric of my childhood and has strong emotional ties for a large percentage of my family). He has a number of songs that I rather enjoy. I will say that the play Cats does annoy me at times. I enjoy it (especially Memory, for aforementioned reasons), and I like the idea of a play about Cats, but it annoys me that they play so fast and loose with feline social mores. For example, having a sexy tomcat come out on stage that all of the queens hang off of adoringly... No, that's a HUMAN fantasy, not a reality of cat mating behavior. The original poems amuse me, though, so I try to just ignore that part.

We had an amazing organ at my college. I didn't really appreciate it when I first got there, but my dad thought it was wonderful, and oohed and aahed over it so much that it started to grow on me. I had friends who played it who really enjoyed it.

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Sun, 22 March 2009 01:52

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Robin wrote on Sat, 21 March 2009 19:46

) I hope you didn't make the mistake of seeing the movie of SWEENEY.

I am also a fan of Pacific Overtures (for many reasons both professional and personal). How can you not be a fan of it when Sondheim's favorite song (Someone In A Tree) is in that show?
When listening to the soundtrack I tend to always skip over Bowler Hat because I can't get the way the actor (in the show I worked on) out of my head (for my taste, it was not so good).

"remember, it's called a play... that means you should PLAY"

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Sun, 22 March 2009 09:41

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Diane in MN wrote on Sat, 21 March 2009 00:50

I find that organ music is either splendid to hear (e.g., a Bach fugue) or entirely tedious (e.g., nondescript vaguely ecclesiastical meanderings). Hard to generalize about it.

I agree. Since I work in a church, I've heard the whole range. Good organists playing good organs are FABULOUS. I also agree with Robin's comment about recordings not being nearly as impressive or moving as listening LIVE.
Smiles,
Jeanne Marie

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Sun, 22 March 2009 12:05

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I like ALW, but I admire Sondheim, if that makes sense.
Did you know there's an album out there of him singing his own songs?

(Wait; there are 2. I only have #1.)

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Sun, 22 March 2009 14:51

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Is it too controversial to say I like a little bit of ALW, a little bit of SS but a lot of Rogers and Hart, Rogers and Hammerstein, Cole Porter, Irving Berlin, Lerner and Loewe?

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Sun, 22 March 2009 14:55

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In Wurms, [mumble] years ago, we as tourists wandered into the cathedral, after having to wait for a small wedding party to come out, on a summer Saturday morning. As we drifted around in the back, ignoring some little stir up at the altar, it seems another wedding was assembling up there at the front (apparent miles away). Suddenly, unexpectedly, the organ burst out in Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D, rolling and echoing through the gray forest of carved pillars. It was GLORIOUS!

I don't know that I would have chosen that for wedding music, but I'm sure glad they did. Really, a great stone cathedral is the only proper habitat for such music.

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Sun, 22 March 2009 15:51

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Susan from Athens wrote on Sun, 22 March 2009 19:51

Is it too controversial to say I like a little bit of ALW, a little bit of SS but a lot of Rogers and Hart, Rogers and Hammerstein, Cole Porter, Irving Berlin, Lerner and Loewe?

So do I.

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Sun, 22 March 2009 17:43

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Me three.

Really, when you get down to it, I just adore musical theatre.

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