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Sat, 28 February 2009 19:28

jmeadows
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Late Nights and Early Mornings

Smooshes!

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Re: Late Nights and Early Mornings [message #12204 is a reply to message #12203 ]

Sat, 28 February 2009 19:39

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Good golly, Robin.

For having no brain, you are suspiciously coherent in this. Or -- *squints* -- Darkness? Is that you?

I know the word charleyhorse; one of my high school friends got them all the time, though I'm not sure which version. *shrug*

I hate hiccups. Hate hate hate. And none of the stupid "cures" work, either.

Sleep tight! Get good rest!

Smooshes!

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Sat, 28 February 2009 19:40

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I have a fair amount of luck getting rid of hiccups by sipping very cold water slowly with concentration and deliberation.

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I discovered British cider on my first tourist trip over here as an adult and it was a Revelation.

I'm glad I'm not the only one. I was in Dunstable for a week and a half last April and found Strongbow. Definitely a Revelation. Followed by the realization that the "Irish" (not Irish, I'm guessing, but "Irish") pub downtown has Strongbow on tap.

Yum!

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Sat, 28 February 2009 19:45

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My charleyhorses tend to be the dancing up and down on frozen tiptoes trying to BASH your calf muscles into stretching out again type. Ow.

And the spoonful of sugar cure USUALLY works on my hiccups. USUALLY. Since menopause means I'm no longer allowed ANY calories I will only try this ONCE any more.

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Sat, 28 February 2009 19:45

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j meadows writes -- Darkness? Is that you?

*Woof.* Heh heh heh.

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Sat, 28 February 2009 19:48

jmeadows
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Robin wrote on Sat, 28 February 2009 19:45

Urgh. Ow. That sounds *awful*. (And distressingly like what I've had before, but didn't realize what it was...except painful.) Ow.

Spoonful of sugar wasn't one of the cures I ever heard about. Just holding your breath and swallowing a lot, and drinking water...drinking water upside down. (How the heck does one do that without drowning? What a stupid way to die.)

Smooshes!

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Sat, 28 February 2009 19:55

Robin
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Well, while you still have Youthful Metabolism, try the spoonful of sugar next time. And drinking water upside down--yeah. Spare me. I know someone who swears by it though. I suppose it has a certain counterintuitive sense: since getting air where it shouldn't be gives 'em to you in the first place, MORE air where it shouldn't go--from trying to drink out of the wrong side of the blasted glass--will maybe FIX them. Very homeopathic actually. :)

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Sat, 28 February 2009 20:09

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I've gotten charley horses (OW!) when I haven't gotten enough potassium. Orange juice often helps.

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Sat, 28 February 2009 20:54

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on the word charleyhorse: i'm under 25, american, and i use it...mostly in a sports context, admittedly. scenario: during a water polo game you're treading water, trying to change direction with the change of possession, and all of a sudden you have one paralyzed/painful leg? yeah.

bananas and water are the solution. or more specifically, a bagel loaded with peanut butter with sliced bananas on top beforehand, and water thereafter.

but that's only something you can indulge in if you will, in fact, be burning intense water polo-like calories...

they do have decent dried banana chips...not quite so caloric...

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Sat, 28 February 2009 21:11

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I'm having trouble reading about all these hiccup cures. I think hiccups are a bit like yawns, and they're contagious. I can feel that ache forming in my diaphragm right now!

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Sat, 28 February 2009 21:44

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The sugar cure works reliably for me only if the sugar is allowed to melt slowly on the tongue. A sugar cube works best.

"Far and few, far and few, are the lands where the Jumblies live." Edward Lear

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Sat, 28 February 2009 22:00

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There are periodically stories about some poor wretch or other having had hiccups for months or (fewer) years and I always wonder, in my low vulgar way, what it does for their, you know, love life.
*snork* You aren't alone.... *g*

I suppose you could be kinky for hiccups.
Please. If people are involved then there is bound to be someone kinky for hiccups.

I have to put my rose order in soon and Mutabilis is on the list (she was on there last year but they had sold out.) The task for the next few weeks so to build a railing "fence" so that I can have something (or two) sprawling over it dramatically. hehe

Re hiccups: I used to try the old "hold your arms above your head and hang from the lintel and hold your breath" but then I found that focusing on diaphragm breathing (like in yoga or pilates) has the most reliable success. A lot of all those other "tricks" that people suggest all involve being quiet and concentrating..... Wink

I've got a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel ~ Blackadder

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Sat, 28 February 2009 23:07

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It occurs to me that the hiccup attack might be related to the "Tipsy (hic) Concubine". Perhaps a curse for chucking her out of the nice, warm house.
I wish I had known that Mutabilis had aspirations to treeness. Every year I have whack it back off the driveway. And, word to the wise, "Violacea" (aka La Belle Sultane) suckers like crazy on its own roots.

"Far and few, far and few, are the lands where the Jumblies live." Edward Lear

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Sun, 01 March 2009 01:13

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I just had "discussions" with Zephine, Eva, Golden Holstein and Camieux about autumn flushes and the fact they REALLY should not have them if they insist on also having a bad case of powdery mildew which I dont have time to treat. Its kind of like teenage girls and makeup - you get zits and you try to cover them up with more make up which makes it worse.
I also rescued Alec from the rampant lambs ears and found another contact allergy for my trouble (spent lambs ears flowers give me contact hives). I gave in and bought my first tulip bulbs at the markets yesterday. I am studiously ignoring the 4 bulb catalogues on the dining room table, and the misty downs rose site....I have no money...no money..no money. I must remember this....
Sounds like your roses want to be outdoors.
Can I come play in your garden? Mine is going into hibernation....I need things to play with.

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Sun, 01 March 2009 01:14

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b_twin_1 says: Re hiccups: I used to try the old "hold your arms above your head and hang from the lintel and hold your breath" but then I found that focusing on diaphragm breathing (like in yoga or pilates) has the most reliable success. A lot of all those other "tricks" that people suggest all involve being quiet and concentrating.....

Exactly. The best way that I've found to get out of any muscle spasm, including hiccups, is to actively try to use the muscle for something. If you practice deep breathing and hold the breaths, your diaphragm will realize it has better things to do than jump.

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Sun, 01 March 2009 04:22

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This is my first time posting a reply in the forum. Sorry, I've been shy.

Regarding hiccups: I had spent some time with a Chinese shaman traveling about not so long ago and the hot, blazing SE Asian summers seemed to have made me frequently susceptible to hiccups, which I would generally cure by gulping a huge bottle of water all in one go but that led to inopportune bathroom urgencies (which are not welcomed especially in areas where there are no bathrooms), so the shaman taught me a trick entailing the use of a small round bowl of water, two chopsticks, and most importantly, the control of one's breath. It's weird, I know, but it works, and I think it has something to do with calming yourself and your energies and focusing on mentally suppressing the spasms in your throat. Oh no, now my first post made me read like an crazy, wildwoman eccentric. It's just that I know people are going to reply with dozens of hiccup-cure suggestions so I figured I add one to the mix. I can't elaborate further (I don't think I'm allowed to...some sort of unspoken shamanistic law probably...) but it's 4:22am here and well, I guess I just wanted to tell you I can relate.

FUNNY THOUGH - I am up because of YOU. I am re-reading The Blue Sword (it's been 15 yrs! yikes!). Have just gotten to the part where Harry is being trained to sword-fight with Mathin.

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Sun, 01 March 2009 05:36

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sunday_morning wrote on Sun, 01 March 2009 04:22

This is my first time posting a reply in the forum. Sorry, I've been shy.

Welcome sunday_morning Smile

(And don't worry about being a wildwoman eccentric. You may find you actually fit right in here..... hehe)

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Sun, 01 March 2009 07:28

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I'm not twitchy or spastic, generally, and I get hiccups (and charleyhorses) ALL THE FRICKIN' TIME. Smile

I'm one of those swearing by the "other side of the glass" method though; I noticed at some point in my childhood that I could get rid of them quicker when I was at school, because I'd drink out of a waterfountain in an attempt to quell the dang things. Waterfountain = drinking while bending over. Something about the added pressure on the ab muscles or the diaphragm or something.... so if I'm not anywhere where there's a drinking fountain, I do the other side of the glass, and as I have had a lot of practice at it (sigh) I can do it without spilling, swearing, or pouring water up my nose. Or swallowing air.

No clue why charleyhorse would have dropped out of the vocabulary of your close associates, it's a common term around here. And sadly, an even more common experience. $#^@%.

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Sun, 01 March 2009 09:53

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shalea wrote on Sun, 01 March 2009 00:40

Actually, over here, Strongbow is one of the less nice ciders! I mean, it's drinkable - but there are nicer ones (Bulmer's pear cider is particularly delicious, but I bought some Woodland Fruit cider to try and ugh. Just ugh. Tasted like diluted cough-mixture).

So "charleyhorse" is another word for cramp, is it? I mean those awful cramps you get in the thighs where you think your bones are going to break? Quinine helps that - my father swears by tonic water, but what my parents use nowadays, and have introduced us to, is the homeopathic remedy cuprum met, and it's pretty magic!

I don't know what cures hiccups, though, other than time and patience - perhaps an indigestion tablet? Holding one's breath helps to a certain degree, as does drinking water, from whichever side of the glass, but those persistent and painful attacks are just plain Narsty! (and yes, I do know that's not how "nasty" is generally spelt, but isn't there a difference between nasty and Narsty? I think so, anyway).

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Re: Late Nights and Early Mornings [message #12243 is a reply to message #12203 ]

Sun, 01 March 2009 15:17

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My Grandmothers cure for hiccups works 100% for me, and I made one of the guys at work do it a couple of weeks ago (he was dubious) and it worked for him too!

Get a tall straight sided glass and put about an inch of water in the bottom.

Stick your little fingers in each ear, and keeping them there, carefully pickup the glass and slowly tip it back and forward, taking small sips.

Is the same effect (making your diaphragm do its thing) but you are so busy concentrating on other things, it all just happens!

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Sun, 01 March 2009 17:03

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I'm with Black Bear on the hiccups cure of drinking water upside down. In my case, however, being one of the Klutzim, I have slightly adapted the approach; I take a regular gulp of water the normal way, but then I hold it in my mouth and don't swallow until I rest my chin on my chest. This has the effect of drinking upside down, but without the messy/dangerous factor.

Erika in Colorado

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Sun, 01 March 2009 17:30

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I'm ok with the hiccoughs: take a deep breath, drink ten sips of water before letting it out, then burp. And they're gone.

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Sun, 01 March 2009 18:17

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LOL. Charleyhorse, for me, translated into "clothes horse".

Perhaps I shouldn't be applying for a freelance proofreading job.

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Sun, 01 March 2009 18:21

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Sigh. I'm menopausal; I'm an air fern; I'm allowed NO calories. I supplement magnesium which is also a cramp thing; maybe I'd better add potassium.

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Sun, 01 March 2009 18:23

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A lot of the old roses do. But the Scottish roses are the WORST.

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Sun, 01 March 2009 18:25

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Robin wrote on Sun, 01 March 2009 18:23

A lot of the old roses do. But the Scottish roses are the WORST.

Lack of water slows them down a bit..... :S *sigh*

I've got a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel ~ Blackadder

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Sun, 01 March 2009 18:28

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Zephirine Drouhin? Yep. Bad for mildew. Camieux too. I don't know the others. But lots of food and water should keep it to bearable levels--I recommend a seaweed tonic on top of whatever else. I won't use (manufactured, laboratory) chemicals, which makes me green and holy, and also means I don't have to worry about being allergic to them. :)

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Sun, 01 March 2009 18:30

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Harry learned to concentrate. :)

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Sun, 01 March 2009 18:34

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LOL! I didn't want to say anything about Strongbow, but I AGREE! It may get you started on cider, but you if you really like cider you want to move ON from there. :)

I'm interested you use cup met for a minor acute; I've been taught to think of it as pretty serious medicine. I tend to use mag phos for cramp (ie including spastic diaphragm), which USUALLY works . . . but not the other night.

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Sun, 01 March 2009 18:35

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They don't, obviously. Neither do sheep. Evil cows do, though. Mooo.

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Sun, 01 March 2009 19:24

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Actually, over here, Strongbow is one of the less nice ciders! I mean, it's drinkable - but there are nicer ones

So what are some of the nicer ones? We are going to Ireland in two weeks and, since I don't drink beer, I usually drink cider. Unfortunately, I don't remember any particular types.

Karen

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Sun, 01 March 2009 20:25

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Asking the folks in the pub about local ciders (beer, etc.) is a good way to get into a conversation with the locals. And you often find out about all sorts of things you don't even know to ask about.

I loved hearing about how the village got together to restore the pub to good order when an idiot from away drove his SUV through the front wall.

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Sun, 01 March 2009 21:11

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Strongbow is rather the holy grail of imported ciders here, for many years it was extremely hard to find due to some sort of weird exclusivity deal in their US distribution. It's now more readily available off the shelf, but still hardly common in most bars--if you get any cider on tap at a non-specialty bar here, it's Vermont's Woodchuck.

I like Strongbow a lot, myself--but I don't like sweet things much at all (with a few exceptions) and most ciders I've tried when in the UK have been very sweet for my taste. But come to think of it, they were also probably CHEAP. Smile

This was back in my college days, when merely getting to Gatwick had taken all my available cash...

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Sun, 01 March 2009 22:41

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Robin wrote on Mon, 02 March 2009 10:28

Yup - and oh hell yes. Camieux didnt have mildew until Zephirine turned up. I think he went out in sympathy. Seasol is planned to be applied with a hibernation feeding soon. I think Mrs Coopers (my back neighbours) obsessive watering doesnt help, nor does the fact her tree hangs over it. Which reminds me I need to ask the garden guys tomorrow can they fit in a tree trim.....GAH!
FYI EVA from the Mistydowns Site.

Class: Hybrid Musk
Breeder: Kordes
Country: Germany
Year: 1938
Parentage: Robinhood x J C Thornton
Plant Type: Shrub
Height(m): 1.8
Width(m): 1.2
Fragrance: Very Fragrant
Scent: Musk
Flowering Time: Continuous
Flower Form: Single
Search Colours: Mid Red
Descriptive Colour: Mid carmine red with white eye
Hips: Rounded
Flower Shape: Cupped
Flower Size: Medium
Huge panacles up to 75 blooms in each, of semi double to almost single blooms of rich carmine red with just a hint of white in the centre to lighten the effect. Heavily endowed with delicious musky fragrance. Great landscaping rose or hedging rose or simply plant it in your shrubbery. Flowers continuously if deadheaded or if left, huge sprays of delightful pinkish hips appear and are fabulous for flower arrranging. 1.8m x 1.2m.

Beginning of Spring I had over 200 buds on this, and its been prolific right through summer. Even now I still have a good 50 or so buds/flowers. This lot is going to get left to go to hips.

I cant find a decent description of Golden Holistein as it was a freebie from another company. But its bright yellow Hybird Tea (I think) that seems to be in constant arguements with my magnolia.

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Sun, 01 March 2009 22:51

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I don't like sweet things much at all

Black Bear, have you tried Woodchuck's Dark and Dry? It's less sweet than their regular cider. I've found it at liquor stores.

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Mon, 02 March 2009 07:13

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my hubby gets real bad charly horses when he uses his legs doing things he hasn't done in a while[the first 2 weeks of snow plowing he wakes up early in the morning with wicked chaley horse].liniment and about 20 minutes of rubbing seems to help.

Bonnie Holmes the faster ahead I go, the more behind I get

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Mon, 02 March 2009 07:25

Black Bear
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cgbookcat1 wrote on Sun, 01 March 2009 22:51

Black Bear, have you tried Woodchuck's Dark and Dry? It's less sweet than their regular cider. I've found it at liquor stores.

Yes, I have, and it's quite nice. Smile

I also like their Granny Smith variety--I love sour/tart stuff--and their pear as well.

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Mon, 02 March 2009 15:25

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Robin wrote on Sun, 01 March 2009 18:34

LOL! I didn't want to say anything about Strongbow, but I AGREE! It may get you started on cider, but you if you really like cider you want to move ON from there. Smile

No worries!! I'm always keen to try things that are better than the things I've already found that I like. Smile

Not sure the liquor store is going to do me any good, though; North Carolina has STUPID liquor laws, and though I've been surprised about some of the things I have been able to find, I'm NEVER surprised when I can't find something.

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