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Sat, 07 July 2012 13:05   |
 Mockorange
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At 22 I was pretty much on top of things and thought I had it all pretty much together. It's all been downhill from there. Well, no, not quite as bad as that. But I think at 22 I just didn't know how much I didn't know. Looking back at 22, there was so much potential there, so many (apparent) possibilities. 24 years later and I'm hard pressed to say what on earth I've actually done with my life, despite it having been fairly enjoyable on the whole.
Re: Lovecraft - I'm afraid I couldn't get into it myself.
Re: Cliffhangers - I'm rather enjoying them in the blog because it's usually only a few days till they are resolved and it's fun to bite your fingernails till then. What's frustrating is when a television series is cancelled after it's cliff-hanger season ending, or when a book series is cancelled midway through when the protagonist is still in a sticky spot. Though on this subject, I would just like to say that if you should run out of enthusiasm for Kes at any point, I will learn to live with the lack of closure. I have a much higher tolerance for unresolved cliff-hangers when I'm receiving something free and gratis, purely out of the goodness of the author's heart.
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Sat, 07 July 2012 19:20 |
EMoon
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I like Hayley...my being delighted that she was upset wasn't that I didn't like her--it was just so perfect an expression of her--age, dress, job, previously seen attitudes. Despite the frequently expressed (not here) idea that the old don't remember what it was like to be young...oh, boy, DO I! I remember exactly what it felt like (which is why I'm so intolerant of my neck, shoulders, elbows, hands, back, hips, knees, feet, lungs...c'mon, you guys, don't you remember how much fun we had when you didn't make weird noises and hurt?)
The only unfortunate thing about Kes and Hayley is that I like them so much they're coming alive in my head, where they have no right to be. And since they're not on my deadline, and are more fun (since they're not) than what I am writing, they're distracting me. Like someone else's children bouncing into your yard to play while you're trying to teach your own children algebra. It is not OK to take someone else's kids and make them part of your family. But still...joining the growing chant..."Want more Kes! Want more Kes!"
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Mon, 09 July 2012 19:27 |
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Catherine
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I've finally caught up with Kes (yes, I'm that late to the party, alas) and I'm adoring it/her. I knew I was completely hooked and happy to follow wherever she went before the end of the second episode (I was hooked in the first paragraph, but the second episode was when I knew). It's brilliant, funny, fun and deliciously engaging. Brava!
As for the knowing who you are at 22, I was fairly certain I knew. I staked my future on that knowledge and moved from America to England (or, rather, finished my degree here and clung desperately to anything that meant I didn't have to leave). Staring down the barrel of approaching 30 I now know that what I in fact knew was one thing, very strongly, and precious little else. Luckily that one thing was a Good Decision and while a lot of who I am has changed in the intervening years I'm dead chuffed to call England home. Sometimes all you need to know at 22 is the next step. I know a few other things with certainty now, but I'm not quite ready to do anything with most of them, yet.
Cath
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Sun, 29 July 2012 07:12 |
Katsheare
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Like danceswithpahis, I knew by age 10 what I wanted to do with the rest of my life. Imagine my consternation then at age 21 when I realized that my chosen path, what I had based every major decision of my life on to that point, wasn't going to work. Not knowing what comes next has served me well. My life has taken several interesting turns, including at least one tesseract, but in my mid-thirties I've no wish to complain. And adaptability enough to roll when I could complain.
Hayley is charmingly human. It's hard but worthwhile to remember that everyone has little oddnesses, whether it's knowing all of the Ziggy Stardust album (including orchestartion) by heart, a penchant for limerick writing or an undying love of ALF. And that frequently these things are what we guard fearfully, worried that if people know that we have dedicated much of our spare time to learning the full history of the East India Tea Company rather than playing Farmville.... I'm not sure what we fear. Rejection, probably. Mockery. Humans being cruel and childish because they can be. So Hayley was amazingly brave (talk about the characters living in your head, EMoon. I'm starting a dissertation on them...) to pull out that much-loved manuscript. Maybe that's part of why we like her, too.
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Sun, 29 July 2012 16:36 |
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LadyGrace
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I'm 23, so the being-finished-at-22 is an interesting question, and I wonder how I'll look back on the issue when a few more years have passed! Like many previous posters, I have a long-term goal that has been my goal since elementary school, and I'm getting nearer to reaching it than ever before. In that way I feel like I've known who I am for years. I never doubted that I was pursuing the right majors in college, and have always been able to answer all those "Is it worth it?" questions with "Yes, absolutely, there is nothing else I'd rather be doing." But, you know, I'm also not quite there yet, and I have a lot of work to do, and we'll see how it goes. In other ways, however, who I am this year is completely different from who I was last year. I've gone on so many adventures and have so many new stories to tell, and I sort of don't want to be finished EVER—there are too many things I still want to do, and I hope each of them will change me a lot, and maybe for the better.
And on Lovecraft? After I finished geeking out that Robin McKinley answered my question I found a paperback of The Dreamquest of Unknown Kadath on my father's bookshelf, and I have been LOVING it. The language is ridiculous and over-the-top and no one is allowed to write like that anymore, but I absolutely dig it. It would be tons of fun to read aloud; the sentences make me positively gleeful.
-Grace Makley
www.gracemakley.com
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| Re: Another Edition of Forum Kes [message #51046 is a reply to message #51030 ] |
Sun, 29 July 2012 20:13 |
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danceswithpahis
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| Katsheare wrote on Sun, 29 July 2012 07:12 |
Like danceswithpahis, I knew by age 10 what I wanted to do with the rest of my life. Imagine my consternation then at age 21 when I realized that my chosen path, what I had based every major decision of my life on to that point, wasn't going to work. Not knowing what comes next has served me well. My life has taken several interesting turns, including at least one tesseract, but in my mid-thirties I've no wish to complain. And adaptability enough to roll when I could complain.
Hayley is charmingly human. It's hard but worthwhile to remember that everyone has little oddnesses, whether it's knowing all of the Ziggy Stardust album (including orchestartion) by heart, a penchant for limerick writing or an undying love of ALF. And that frequently these things are what we guard fearfully, worried that if people know that we have dedicated much of our spare time to learning the full history of the East India Tea Company rather than playing Farmville.... I'm not sure what we fear. Rejection, probably. Mockery. Humans being cruel and childish because they can be. So Hayley was amazingly brave (talk about the characters living in your head, EMoon. I'm starting a dissertation on them...) to pull out that much-loved manuscript. Maybe that's part of why we like her, too.
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Yes, it is an odd feeling knowing that everything you've prepared for almost your whole life... is not where your life is going. It's caused me to seem somewhat aimless since then to other people, although it doesn't feel that way from the inside. I feel like I know what kind of a person I want to be, what sort of people I want to live my life around (actually, I know the specific people; I have some good friends that I'd like to keep), and that I want to work someplace at a meaningful job that I can support myself at and like reasonably well (any one of those three traits -- meaningful, earns enough $ to support myself, and liking -- could be magnified, but I'd be content with a job that met all three standards). But a lot of the details (which job? How do I get from point A to point B?) are fuzzy. Which as you point out can be a fun and okay experience as long as you don't mind feeling sometimes like you're on a roller coaster ride and can't see which way the car will turn next.
I agree that everyone has their little quirks and passions, and it's so easy to treat them with scorn or disdain. On the other hand, if we learn about them and why our friends like them, we can gain a whole new affection for the people around us, and a lot of interesting random knowledge about the world.
"Oh good! My dog found the chainsaw!"
-- Lilo ("Lilo and Stitch")
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