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Fri, 22 June 2012 22:09  |
 b_twin_1
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Once upon a time there was a car ....
I've got a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel ~ Blackadder
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| Re: Car [message #50423 is a reply to message #50422 ] |
Fri, 22 June 2012 22:31  |
EMoon
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O Wolfgang, dear Wolfgang, I'm glad that you start
So please keep it up, and don't fall apart.
Very, very happy that Wolfgang appears to be in working order again, but don't tell him/her/it I said so, lest this be the usual sort of inverse magic. (I'm very happy that Bombadil-the-Tractor's rockshaft valve hasn't failed for over a year, but I don't say that to Bombadil, because then the next time I lift the mower deck it will rise majestically all the way up and won't go down. Similarly with starting, with the mower clutch not slipping, etc. "Good tractor" and "Attaboy" when he crunches through an invasive woody thing we don't want, are all I dare say to him out in the field. I'm just a little twitchy that mentioning the rockshaft valve might be tempting fate, but Tractor Fate should be out there with Bombadil, not in here perusing the internet.)
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| Re: Car [message #50429 is a reply to message #50422 ] |
Sat, 23 June 2012 01:56 |
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Love that cat-pill thing... seen it before, many times, but never with *pictures*.
The alternative to having to perform that ritual is to get the kitten young and *train it*. This works very well with my oldest cat, acquired at 5 weeks of age. The others can be pilled (I have, after all, worked in the veterinary field in one capacity or another for something approaching 10 years), but it's a bit more dramatic. (However, giving *liquid* medication to my oldest cat is... interesting. Most people prefer it for their cats; I might prefer it to my two younger cats, but my oldest does not mix well with liquids).
We can only hope that the gingledrabber replacement will help. At least they still make replacements, and the garage didn't have to phone all over the country to find one (which is what I had to do to find a replacement window for my 19 year old car a few years ago when a stray rock rendered said replacement necessary).
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| Re: Car [message #50448 is a reply to message #50446 ] |
Sun, 24 June 2012 07:30 |
b_twin_1
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| Mockorange wrote on Sun, 24 June 2012 05:57 |
| b_twin_1 wrote on Sat, 23 June 2012 21:15 |
| Mockorange wrote on Sat, 23 June 2012 10:39 |
I used to have a horse that wasn't very enthusiastic about eating. He would eat in moderation if all was well with him, and always enjoyed grazing when out in the field. However, as soon as he was in any way out of sorts he would give up on the whole eating thing (except for grass), and since he was a thoroughbred, grass alone was not sufficient to keep the weight on him.
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Sounds like gastric ulcers.  Very common in thoroughbreds (and increasingly found in performance horses).
Alpacas are particularly prone and when they have a flare up they will refuse to eat anything other than grass. I find sheep often will only eat grass when they have digestive disturbance as well.
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Huh, interesting! This was never suggested to me at the time. Is there anything that could have been done about gastric ulcers if that was what was wrong with him?
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There's quite a range of meds now specifically for ulcers. And plenty of grass and grass hay. No grains or high protein feeds. 
I've got a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel ~ Blackadder
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| Re: Car [message #50449 is a reply to message #50443 ] |
Sun, 24 June 2012 10:20 |
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equus_peduus
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most animal species don't get gastric ulcers due to bacteria (though as I recall, ferrets are one species where they're trying to decide about it).
Horses get ulcers from stress - there's a few interesting studies where they took horses in pasture, scoped them, put them on a trailer for a couple hours, scoped them again, and found evidence of early ulceration. Horses not used to work that begin training get ulcers. Horses that are used to training but not showing and start doing so get ulcers. Some ridiculously high percentage of race horses (both in training and actively racing) have ulcers. Etc etc etc. I can't at the moment remember the mechanism for ulcer formation, because I don't "do" horses, and school is a few years ago now. If you care enough, I'll find out.
However, performance horses tend to have one further complicating factor - diet. The type of food the horse eats will affect the amount of gastric acid produced and transit time through the stomach. Grain is not the natural diet of the horse. This means that not only does the average performance horse (any sport) have the stress of training/working/showing/racing as well as dietary stresses - but they need the grain/extra feed/whatever for the energy it provides to fuel the extra performance.
Omeprazole (GastroGard and UlcerGard by Merial, though there's other options) blocks production of stomach acids, and thus decreases one of the perpetuators of the ulcers. It has been shown to decrease formation of ulcers, and aid in the healing of ulcers. Thus Merial's marketing of UlcerGard - start giving it a couple days before a stressful event and continue through until stressful event is over. Ulcergard and Gastrogard are essentially the same product in different packaging - but GastroGard (for treatment of ulcers) is labelled for a much higher dose than UlcerGard (for prevention).
Okay, I'll shut up now. FWIW, the GG and UG websites do have information about ulcers in horses (as well as a good dose of marketing, but you expect that on product websites  )
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| Re: Car [message #50488 is a reply to message #50466 ] |
Wed, 27 June 2012 16:03 |
claning
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The major problem I've found with giving cats antibiotics is that what the vet usually supplies is a children's liquid amoxicillin. To appeal to children, it is BRIGHT pink and bubblegum flavored.
Cats are not fond of bubblegum flavor, but no one seems to make a tuna-flavored sort. Presumably because cats don't have much buying power.
O Chris Laning <claning@igc.org> - Davis, California
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| Re: Car [message #50491 is a reply to message #50488 ] |
Wed, 27 June 2012 20:37 |
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anne_d
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| claning wrote on Wed, 27 June 2012 13:03 |
The major problem I've found with giving cats antibiotics is that what the vet usually supplies is a children's liquid amoxicillin. To appeal to children, it is BRIGHT pink and bubblegum flavored.
Cats are not fond of bubblegum flavor, but no one seems to make a tuna-flavored sort. Presumably because cats don't have much buying power.
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Our vet uses cod liver oil to flavor some of the meds. The cats don't mind that. I can't imagine trying to give a cat bright pink medicines; the mess would be epically horrific.
"The creative urge can come out in any form: in embroidery, in... cooking, in painting, drawing and sculpture, in composing music, as well as in writing books and stories... the artist's inner satisfaction was probably much the same." ~ Agatha Christie
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