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| Re: Team Bell (Ringing) [message #47628 is a reply to message #47623 ] |
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The reason there are people in padded rooms murmuring brokenly, No, no! Not Stedman!
For some reason, that took me right to Cordwainer Smith's "No, no! Not Rogov!"
Yeah, I know, my mind goes wandering in strange directions, with but the last bit of encouragement given it...
Still will I harvest beauty where it grows... -- Edna St. Vincent Millay
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| Re: Team Bell (Ringing) [message #47631 is a reply to message #47623 ] |
Tue, 17 January 2012 12:02 |
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Stedman’s threat to humanity is different.
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I'm a looong way off being able to ring Stedman Doubles, let alone Triples, but when I was looking it up (for some reason) in a couple of theory books, I was struck with the fact that Stedman is apparently a Principle, not a Method. Why? I mean, what does that mean? 
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unless you have a scarily overachieving conductor, you’re just frelled.
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We have one of those, too. One of these 'learnt as a teenager' people. She's very reassuring to have around though, in all sorts of ways. I'm just sad that I haven't got enough years left to get to that level.
"Never let a computer know you're in a hurry."
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| Re: Team Bell (Ringing) [message #47633 is a reply to message #47632 ] |
Tue, 17 January 2012 13:56 |
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| Robin wrote on Tue, 17 January 2012 17:06 |
It means that the treble rings the same line as all the other inside bells--ie the thing that makes Stedman a super-volatile ratbag. As I understand it, that's the definition of a principle, rather than a method, although people get all sheepish (in my experience, but we're pretty raggedy-andy around here) about insisting on calling Stedman a principle.
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Yes, and so Plain Hunt is also a principle, for the same reason.
Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly.
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| Re: Team Bell (Ringing) [message #47657 is a reply to message #47641 ] |
Wed, 18 January 2012 02:56 |
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| Audrey Falconer wrote on Wed, 18 January 2012 00:15 |
I can almost ring Stedman Doubles. That's scary, seeing as I can barely ring Plain Bob Doubles and Grandsire Doubles!
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That's great!
| Audrey Falconer wrote on Wed, 18 January 2012 00:15 |
(I'm steady on the treble so tend to stick there to help everyone else with the learning. I wish I could ring inside with me on the treble, sometimes!)
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Seriously, you're invaluable as a steady treble ringer - but please, please, if you can, don't let yourself become pigeonholed as "the treble ringer", not being given any opportunities to learn to ring inside. I'm sure you have done already, but keep letting your tower captain know that you'd really like to ring inside as well. You'll miss out on your own fun and learning if you stick (are stuck) on the treble to help everyone else.
Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly.
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| Re: Team Bell (Ringing) [message #47658 is a reply to message #47657 ] |
Wed, 18 January 2012 06:22 |
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| CathyR wrote on Wed, 18 January 2012 07:56 |
Seriously, you're invaluable as a steady treble ringer - but please, please, if you can, don't let yourself become pigeonholed as "the treble ringer", not being given any opportunities to learn to ring inside. I'm sure you have done already, but keep letting your tower captain know that you'd really like to ring inside as well. You'll miss out on your own fun and learning if you stick (are stuck) on the treble to help everyone else.
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Yes - and I found that doing quite a bit of trebling at my home tower was not helpful for learning to ring inside, as I got used to the rhythm of 'four blows up and four blows down, lead, lead'. Because we don't do Plain Hunt at my home tower, once I'd 'got' call changes I was taught to hunt through trebling to Grandsire Doubles and therefore found it more difficult to get my head around the varying patterns of inside ringing. My tower is great, in all sorts of ways, but I was glad I had a Ringing Centre reasonably near to try out PH and other positions with.
"Never let a computer know you're in a hurry."
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| Re: Team Bell (Ringing) [message #47664 is a reply to message #47658 ] |
Wed, 18 January 2012 14:43 |
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I actually did hardly any treble ringing at all when I was learning. We had one ringer who could and would only ring the treble (up to plain courses of bob doubles and grandsire only), so I was ringing inside from the start. Although it meant it took me a long time to become even a part way reasonable treble ringer, I'm glad things worked out that way. I still prefer to ring inside, whatever the method, given the choice.
Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly.
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| Re: Team Bell (Ringing) [message #47670 is a reply to message #47664 ] |
Wed, 18 January 2012 19:13 |
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Oh, I started out on the 4, learnt Plain Hunt on the 4 then did some trebling, knowing that that was the most useful thing I can do. When everyone else is steady though a method then I can have a go at it withuot others going wrong around me, which doesn't really help me with learning a method. In the meantime I watch the method from the treble and try to work out where it went wrong.
We're a Minimus and Plain Bob tower, really. And our treble is a little interesting to ring - light, rope goes through a pulley, and you have to stand under stairs and be careful to not hit your head or your hands.
It must have been interesting learning to ring Plain Hunt while trebling to Grandsire! That would have sorted out anyone who tried to ring by numbers! (One of our most reliable ringers rings only by numbers, which is limiting.)
Audrey
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