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Fri, 30 September 2011 09:02   |
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Sounds weird to not have hymnals in a church ... the only religious services I've ever been to where there weren't hymnals are silent Quaker meetings. Who knew.
I'll bet the ministers/music directors subject the congregation to way fewer "new" hymns over the course of a year if there's no hymnal.
I guess it's like no washcloths in non-North American hotels. Different customs.
"Winning a war is like winning an earthquake" Jeanette Rankin
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| Re: Squeakery Freakery. And some auction comments. [message #45223 is a reply to message #45221 ] |
Fri, 30 September 2011 09:35 |
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| AJLR wrote on Fri, 30 September 2011 08:52 |
There will probably be entire episodes of the 'Antiques Roadshow' devoted to it in about 50 years' time... 
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Hah! Oh, my goodness, I love this mental image.
Specialist: "What we have here are several excellent specimens of a McKinley doodle. McKinley began creating these in 2011, as a fundraiser for her local bell tower. May I ask where your grandmother got these doodles?"
Owner: "Um, well, I think she bought them on an online auction."
Specialist: "Ah, yes. If so, then these may be some of McKinley's early doodles. Now let's look at the composition. This particular doodle here features two sight-hounds, captured in McKinley's inimitable 'line' style. The fact that there are *two* sight-hounds means that this is what McKinley experts call a 'doodlier doodle.' The second doodle, which features a fanged and smiling pastry, is also a 'doodlier doodle.'"
Confused but smiling owner: "Yeah, I never did get why the pastry had fangs."
Specialist: "Ah, yes. That would be a reference to one of McKinley's novels, Sunshine. It features vampires and cinnamon rolls as big as your head. Did your grandmother have any of McKinley's books?"
Owner: "Oh, that explains it. I found the fanged muffin drawing inside this vampire book. The other doodle she had framed and hung next to the picture of her old dog."
Specialist: "Well, thank you very much for bringing these in. It's a pleasure to see such excellent specimens of McKinleyana."
[Updated on: Sat, 01 October 2011 00:05]
"Purity of heart is to will one thing." Kirkegaard
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| Re: Squeakery Freakery. And some auction comments. [message #45229 is a reply to message #45217 ] |
Fri, 30 September 2011 15:32 |
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| Diane in MN wrote on Fri, 30 September 2011 07:46 |
And furthermore whose stupid idea was it to sing soprano, so I’m in the front frelling row?
::SYMPATHY:: I can relate to this sentiment! But on the bright side, you're getting the worst part of the public singing thing over with at the get-go. And on the REALLY bright side, it's a wedding, so the happy couple are the main attraction, not the choir, and the crowd should by rights be looking at the bride.
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True, and as a denizen of the front row, you also have the opportunity to watch any shenanigans that happen to occur during the course of the wedding. 
The bad news is that the wedding is this Saturday. I had managed to make myself believe it was next Saturday.
I hate it when that happens. *sympathy*
It’s not a problem. You just want a handkerchief. ... Please apply the languishing, the heavy sighs, the eye rolling and the murmured phrase, oh, I just can’t decide. . . .
My nose at this time of year guarantees that I have plenty. Also work well for wringing in moments of decision distress. Eyelash fluttering shall also occur where appropriate (where is it not appropriate?).
Good Boyfriend.
I just had to add that yes he certainly is.
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| Re: Squeakery Freakery. And some auction comments. [message #45241 is a reply to message #45208 ] |
Fri, 30 September 2011 23:40 |
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" . . . It features vampires and cinnamon roles as big as your head. Did your grandmother have any of McKinley's books."
Vampires as big as your head? That's not too bad. I could deal with a vampire that big. It would probably look like a rather large, pale fruit bat in a tux.
Scar
"People think that stories are shaped by people. In fact, it's the other way around."
T.P.
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| Re: Squeakery Freakery. And some auction comments. [message #45244 is a reply to message #45208 ] |
Sat, 01 October 2011 02:43 |
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Speaking of fantasies, this comment roused in me an immediate vision of someone pulling a doodle out of their Christmas card and saying, But . . . that looks like a muffin . . . with fangs?
In my social group, that comment would be spoken in a pleased tone and followed by, "YES!!! *fistpump*"
But then, one of my friends tells a terrible joke about talking muffins, and was thrilled when I found him an icon of one; he would adore this muffin too. Yes, we are...um...odd people.
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| Re: Squeakery Freakery. And some auction comments. [message #45269 is a reply to message #45208 ] |
Sun, 02 October 2011 14:32 |
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.. and so far as I can tell all programmes, bulletins and orders of service^ is that they only give you the lyrics. Do Anglican babies get a jab at birth with the vitamin K for basic hymn tunes? How the frell are the rest of us supposed to know them?
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Providing ONLY the words and not the music to the congregation is, apparently, the New Emerging Trend in churches over here too. Including Catholic churches.
The rationale I have heard is that people in the congregation keep complaining that they don't read music and they find all those funny black dots and lines *distracting*. So the "congregational version" just has the words.
I think either you are supposed to already know the tunes, or to pick them up by listening to the first verse and chorus. Many songs are designed with a relatively short and singable chorus that people with a smidge of musical experience can pick up after a couple of repetitions, so it sort of works.
I have difficulty relating to this because I can't remember a time when I couldn't read music; I think I learned at about age 8. So I can't imagine how anyone can completely fail to extract ANY useful information from the dots and lines, even if you don't really "read" music. The dots can at least tell you whether you're supposed to go up or down next, can't they?
I suppose it is old-fogyish of me to decry the dumbing-down of church music like this, but so be it
O Chris Laning <claning@igc.org> - Davis, California
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| Re: Squeakery Freakery. And some auction comments. [message #45270 is a reply to message #45269 ] |
Sun, 02 October 2011 16:43 |
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| claning wrote on Sun, 02 October 2011 13:32 |
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.. and so far as I can tell all programmes, bulletins and orders of service^ is that they only give you the lyrics. Do Anglican babies get a jab at birth with the vitamin K for basic hymn tunes? How the frell are the rest of us supposed to know them?
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Providing ONLY the words and not the music to the congregation is, apparently, the New Emerging Trend in churches over here too. Including Catholic churches.
The rationale I have heard is that people in the congregation keep complaining that they don't read music and they find all those funny black dots and lines *distracting*. So the "congregational version" just has the words.
I think either you are supposed to already know the tunes, or to pick them up by listening to the first verse and chorus. Many songs are designed with a relatively short and singable chorus that people with a smidge of musical experience can pick up after a couple of repetitions, so it sort of works.
I have difficulty relating to this because I can't remember a time when I couldn't read music; I think I learned at about age 8. So I can't imagine how anyone can completely fail to extract ANY useful information from the dots and lines, even if you don't really "read" music. The dots can at least tell you whether you're supposed to go up or down next, can't they?
I suppose it is old-fogyish of me to decry the dumbing-down of church music like this, but so be it
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I'm with you, I love hymnals with the music. Even before I knew how to read music, when I was maybe 5 (my first memory of it, anyway), I loved to look at the pages. Learning that those strange marks and lines were music notations was so cool! Whenever I attend a service (regular Sunday, funeral, or wedding) that prints everything in the bulletin, I will pick up the hymnal anyway. Also, as I got older, I found that I couldn't sing soprano any more (it's been decades), so I switched to singing the alto lines. I find it difficult to do so without the music. And now I sing tenor, which I find impossible to do without the music notation. When I can't hear the organist playing the tenor line (our church organist doesn't always do it), I have to resort to singing an octave lower.
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| Re: Squeakery Freakery. And some auction comments. [message #45275 is a reply to message #45218 ] |
Sun, 02 October 2011 22:41 |
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Episcopal churches in the US (all I've been in, at least) have hymnals with music in the pews along with Books of Common Prayer. Salting the mines--er--racks--with Bibles is becoming more common and in some Episcopal churches, various "songbooks" (usually a sign of an influx of new members from other denominations and an annoying--to me--preference for praise music.) When I was a child, our church had small-sized books--tiny print, tiny notes. Now it's more common to see full-sized ones.
Both the hymnal I grew up with (the 1940)and the current (1982) have a number of handy reference sections, including (in the 1940 hymnal more obvious and useful) the "metrical index" allowing choir directors to choose other alternate tunes easily (and assisting those of us who like to put other words to well-known tunes.) The church where I sing now (which has multiple Sunday services in multiple worship spaces) has a singing congregation in the one where the choir sings, with a minimum of five hymns a service, plus one or more choral anthems. Walking up or down the aisle with the choir, we even hear a fair number singing parts. (Unfortunately, the 1982 Hymnal cut the parts from some hymns, made them unison, in part to squeeze more hymns into the same size book and in part through a misguided assumption that singing in parts was elitist.)
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| Re: Squeakery Freakery. And some auction comments. [message #45278 is a reply to message #45208 ] |
Mon, 03 October 2011 00:01 |
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I'm so glad that when I left the relative silence of Quaker Meetings for Worship that I fell in with Unitarian Universalists. I'm not musical but I love singing as long as no one particularly cares how well I do it.
Our "old" hymn book is 1990s and new one is about three years old. The new one goes in for peace and environmental stewardship. Some of my family object to our inclusive language and borrowing from many faith traditions, but heck, the alterations fit the music, and I prefer not to cringe when I'm singing.
What I really love is that even within a small congregation we get variety, classical Bach, modern artistic choral singing, folk music, spirituals, wonderful lyrical jazz, show tunes (very rarely, but if appropriate) and rock classics. A maker of high end flutes will transcribe classical music for the harmonica. A pick up band improvises on church camp classics. Once a year Western Wind runs a weekend workshop and provides a joyous worship service in conjunction with their students. At the funeral of a scouting professional a medley of campfire tunes gets the whole group singing. It all works so wonderfully when the musicians are making music for our souls.
Another church I attend once in a while has a Harvard trained pastor who will pull out his concertina and punctuate a sermon with a well chosen song. An amazing local community church has four professional musician/scholars to lead their choir (another tiny congregation) and they specialize in shape note singing, world music, authentic traditional music of the British Isles and the odd bit of contra dance influence here and there. One's heart sings.
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Mon, 03 October 2011 14:44 |
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Yesterday at mass we had an unfamilliar hymn to end with and had only the verse played through on the organ to go by before we started singing. there were two lines in the verse where we had a lot of words to fit to quick notes - we could not get it whilst trying to sing it. those two lines in the verses were very quiet whilst we fitted in the lines around them.
I'd say what it was but my brain seems to have blanked it out!
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