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Life with Hellhounds: the soap opera


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Re: Life with Hellhounds: the soap opera [message #44442 is a reply to message #44441 ] Tue, 23 August 2011 19:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Since we're talking about dogs:

http://www.britishmuseum.org/collectionimages/AN00147/AN00147688_001_l.jpg

I came across this picture in a book today, and I felt I just had to share it. Link to the (not very informative) page at British Museum is here:
http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/search_the_collection_ database/search_object_details.aspx?objectid=459870&part id=1&searchText=statue+of+two+dogs&fromADBC=ad&t oADBC=ad&numpages=10&orig=%2Fresearch%2Fsearch_the_c ollection_database.aspx&currentPage=1
Re: Life with Hellhounds: the soap opera [message #44445 is a reply to message #44441 ] Wed, 24 August 2011 00:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This post made me laugh, but in the spirit of "laugh and the world laughs with you, weep and you weep alone." I don't have too much trouble with Teddy these days, but I don't mess with what works, either. The SAME bowl in the SAME place for EVERY meal, and don't do anything unusual while he's eating, is the rule. As food rituals go, this is a piece of cake and I am grateful for it every day.

I know they do this deliberately. I know this.

Yup.

To the extent that they like any foodlike matter they quite like liver, and I briefly had hopes of desiccated liver. Nah.

I've had the same experience. Freeze-dried chicken is a non-starter with my guys, too. String cheese, however, is a hit.

Darkness had what I call colic, which is that his stomach makes loud, horrible noises

Ah yes, borborygmus. I use Gas-X for this and it's pretty effective. Given that Danes are poster dogs for bloat, Gas-X is a constant in my dog medicine chest.



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Re: Life with Hellhounds: the soap opera [message #44446 is a reply to message #44441 ] Wed, 24 August 2011 04:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh dear, hellhounds, you're causing your goddess to lose sleep again! Much sympathy re the ongoing food dramas, Robin.

One of our cats, Tabbs, has always been a picky eater and liable to throw up just when one least expects it. I totally recognise the bit about not opening the fridge door while Eating is taking place. Here, unless she's really hungry, we often have The Drama of Being a Cat enacted over the kitchen floor if we don't pet her into the first mouthful.


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Re: Life with Hellhounds: the soap opera [message #44447 is a reply to message #44441 ] Wed, 24 August 2011 04:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Apropos of nothing in this blog entry, bar the date, and I realise that's wrong because it's the 24th here in Australia, but not elsewhere yet... Anyway, today is the 24th August, so there are four (shopping) months until Christmas.
FOUR.
So, what did I see in Woolworths today?
Christmas party mix lollies on sale.
Aaarghhhhh!! ::head desk::

The older I get, the more I can't bear it.....
Re: Life with Hellhounds: the soap opera [message #44448 is a reply to message #44447 ] Wed, 24 August 2011 08:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Susan in Melbourne wrote on Wed, 24 August 2011 04:51

Anyway, today is the 24th August, so there are four (shopping) months until Christmas.
FOUR.
So, what did I see in Woolworths today?
Christmas party mix lollies on sale.
Aaarghhhhh!! ::head desk::


The *only* reason Christmas candies aren't out for display yet is because Halloween candies are out on display. They were put up on display more than three months before Halloween. What? I'm going to buy Trick-or-Treat candy that's going to get *stale* before Halloween? Also, why would I be thinking about a holiday that's an entire quarter of a year away?

/rant


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Re: Life with Hellhounds: the soap opera [message #44449 is a reply to message #44448 ] Wed, 24 August 2011 12:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The reason that the put it out is that they expect you to eat it and then have to buy more candy for the trick or treaters.


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Re: Life with Hellhounds: the soap opera [message #44450 is a reply to message #44441 ] Wed, 24 August 2011 14:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:

—approximately equivalent to a takahe in a Hampshire garden.

Possibly the most viscerally convincing argument for the close relationship between birds and dinosaurs I have seen was a takahe stalking around on Tiritiri Matangi. I suppose that my susceptibility may have to do with the degree to which modern representations of dinosaurs are based on birds but I definitely felt that my boot laces were in prehistoric danger.
Re: Life with Hellhounds: the soap opera [message #44452 is a reply to message #44441 ] Wed, 24 August 2011 16:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hmmm Don't have much advice here, the only finicky eaters I have encountered are children, and usually bribes worked best with them.


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Re: Life with Hellhounds: the soap opera [message #44453 is a reply to message #44441 ] Wed, 24 August 2011 19:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Our cat Alias sometimes refuses her food, and when she does eat she has the weirdest ritual. When she's done eating, she'll move around her bowl and scratch like she's burying the food (although there's nothing there but a mat.)
North: scratch, scratch, scratch.
East: scratch, scratch, scratch.
South: scratch, scratch, scratch.
West: scratch, scratch, scratch.

And then she'll turn her back on it and walk away.


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Re: Life with Hellhounds: the soap opera [message #44455 is a reply to message #44441 ] Wed, 24 August 2011 21:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've been lucky with my dogs- terriers are generally willing eaters. I have dealt with many a picky-eater show dog. For top pickiness, I vote for the Chow who refused to 'go' in public. You simply had to find him a bush to hide behind- which could be quite challenging at some urban dog show locations.

Robin, if dessicated liver doesn't work, how about freshly cooked? Back in my 'bait' days, I would poach liver in a pan of water until reasonably firm, and then pour the liver water over the dry food. The cooked liver itself was cut up and put in one's pocket for the show ring. (I often wonder what the dry cleaner thought about this.)
Re: Life with Hellhounds: the soap opera [message #44461 is a reply to message #44453 ] Wed, 24 August 2011 22:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Miming burying their food is a pretty common cat thing--though sounds like yours is more thorough than mine ever are! Housecats are hardwired to hide signs of their presence from enemies--er, larger predators--which is why they generally bury their scat, and why they also "bury" leftover food. Or so I've read...


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Re: Life with Hellhounds: the soap opera [message #44464 is a reply to message #44448 ] Thu, 25 August 2011 04:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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blondviolinist wrote on Wed, 24 August 2011 22:34

Susan in Melbourne wrote on Wed, 24 August 2011 04:51

Anyway, today is the 24th August, so there are four (shopping) months until Christmas.
FOUR.
So, what did I see in Woolworths today?
Christmas party mix lollies on sale.
Aaarghhhhh!! ::head desk::


The *only* reason Christmas candies aren't out for display yet is because Halloween candies are out on display. /rant



I guess we're lucky in Australia that the whole Halloween thing has never really taken off. There's a little bit of dressing up in primary schools, and a few decorative elements in shops, but the whole full-scale shebang has (mostly) passed us by. Christmas just lasts longer though - sigh.
Re: Life with Hellhounds: the soap opera [message #44467 is a reply to message #44441 ] Thu, 25 August 2011 08:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If it makes you feel better the not eating a particular kind of food after having stomach troubles is a common canine reaction. Canines of all species (dog, coyote, wolf, etc.) have an instinct that tells them that if they get sick right after eating something they shouldn't eat that kind of food anymore. I had just finished reading Dog Sense by John Bradshaw* where I picked up this particular tidbit of information, when my dog ate something she shouldn't have right before supper, then had her supper, THEN got sick. All of a sudden she wouldn't eat her regular food. Nothing would convince her to put a single kibble of that kind of food anywhere near her mouth. (And usually the only thing that stops my dog eating is extreme heat.) We had to switch to another food to get her to eat again. The hellhounds' problems sound more complicated that just: ate this, got sick, won't eat this anymore, but maybe this is contributing to the problem.

*If you can get past the first several (all right, two or three but it felt like several) chapters on evolution the rest of the book is an overview of the newest studies on how dogs learn and interact with other dogs and people. Really fascinating, and he mostly refrained from using overly scientific language.
Re: Life with Hellhounds: the soap opera [message #44468 is a reply to message #44467 ] Thu, 25 August 2011 12:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ownedbycats wrote on Thu, 25 August 2011 05:09

Canines of all species (dog, coyote, wolf, etc.) have an instinct that tells them that if they get sick right after eating something they shouldn't eat that kind of food anymore.

Actually, this is true in lots of species - it's called a learned food aversion (not sure how much is instinct, and how much is just relatively fast associative learning). Cats are masters at this - and they don't have to vomit, they just need to be stressed out or not feeling well - they figure the food is why they aren't feeling well so they won't ever eat that food again. People can do this too - as evidenced by a friend of mine who used to love movie theater popcorn, ate some when when was already feeling under the weather, and then barfed it all up later... she won't go near it any more, and it's been over ten years.

This theory also doesn't explain why some dogs will barf, then immediately eat their vomitus... ick.
Re: Life with Hellhounds: the soap opera [message #44472 is a reply to message #44441 ] Thu, 25 August 2011 19:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yep, it works on humans too. Once I was in the hospital, a nurse gave me this lovely gooey cinnamon roll, and I then got sick. It was about 20 years before I touched another cinnamon roll. (No offense to Sunshine! Wink)


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Re: Life with Hellhounds: the soap opera [message #44478 is a reply to message #44442 ] Fri, 26 August 2011 08:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Look at those RIBS. They don't eat either.

I wonder if the BM has this on a postcard? Something else for the to-do list. . . .
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Yes, but borborygmus is just the (glorious, magnificent) word for the *noise*. I've had or lived or worked with critters with deafening internal rumblings that weren't *troubled* by them. (In homeopathy college we were taught it as a symptom, not as necessarily associated with an illness.) In Darkness' case they mean that he isn't feeling well and won't eat. There's no visible bloating, however, his gut isn't tender if I press it and he doesn't do that looking or biting at his belly that (say) horses with colic do.

I keep thinking about trying cheese, but we spend so much of our time as it is with a less than optimum digestive situation--and dairy is such a common allergen, including with dogs, and MAY cause bloat--that I keep chickening out. Sigh.
Re: Life with Hellhounds: the soap opera [message #44480 is a reply to message #44449 ] Fri, 26 August 2011 08:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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SNORK.
Re: Life with Hellhounds: the soap opera [message #44481 is a reply to message #44450 ] Fri, 26 August 2011 08:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Why? Why are they more dinosaur-like than other odd-looking and/or flightless birds?
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Because I don't want to wreck liver as a way to get them (possibly) to eat their REAL food. NOTHING works all the time, and liver as a treat-addition only works as a jolt if I don't use it too often.

I know . . . it's just they're five years old and I think 'tricky and unreliable' is as good as I'm going to get, and . . .
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Well, yes and no. There has to be some quality of . . . whatever . . . when the reaction is never to touch a given substance again, because lots of dogs throw up kind of a lot . . . and that easy reflex is also so they can TRY that extremely dead whatever and their body will decide whether it's safe or not. (And then there's the whole grass-eating bit. I don't myself believe that dogs eat grass when they WANT to throw up. Mine eat certain leaves at certain seasons clearly because they LIKE them . . . and throw up. Sigh.) And if my guys gave up eating something because they were once sick after it, they would have starved to death long ago.
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I *still remember* the excellent deep-fried sugary cruller I ate and was sick after. (I was already falling ill. It wasn't the cruller's fault.) That was over thirty years ago . . . and I've STILL never eaten another cruller. Smile It took me about ten years even to eat doughnuts again.
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Robin wrote on Fri, 26 August 2011 08:43

Look at those RIBS. They don't eat either.

I wonder if the BM has this on a postcard? Something else for the to-do list. . . .


I'm sure they do! I have a picture of it that I took in person. I sought it out because, at the time anyway (1999, I think?), they were featuring it on the brochure/map. It was in a room in the basement where they had a bunch of sculptures and other 3D art that visually impaired people were allowed to feel.
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Indeed, and I took delicious cold chicken sandwiches up to my daughter's house last week (well, some of the sandwiches were cold chicken, the rest were other things) and had to eat them all myself as she couldn't face it as it was the last thing she ate before the norovirus hit.....


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I have this problem too. After a bad incident with Ribena on my first trip to England, the thought of anything blackcurrant flavored makes me turn a little green...


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Robin wrote on Fri, 26 August 2011 05:55

Why? Why are they more dinosaur-like than other odd-looking and/or flightless birds?

This was a single exposure so it may have been the two individual birds or my state of mind at the time but it seemed to me that they put their feet down as if I* should feel the ground shake. They have short heavy legs so static appearance is part of it but the remarkable thing was their gait: they didn't bob, they didn't scurry, they stalked**.

*Always supposing I were of a scale where the vibrations from a three kilogram bird would be perceptible. I imagine the fern rhizomes were quaking in fear.

**Herons stalk too but they are spindly rather than solid.
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On dogs not eating what they just threw up...I had a collie who would urp up anything new, give it a look, and then gulp it down again. (I hope it's not too cruel to mention a dog who would eat almost anything, and thus helped markedly with the household leftovers.) Leftover hamburger complete with mayonnaise, mustard, lettuce, tomatoes, etc.? Snatch, gulp down, return to sender, inspect, gulp again. Next time he begged a bite of a similar burger, no urp. This dog also picked oranges off our tree then sucked the juice out. Made his fluffy "britches" messy, but he liked the taste and would stand on his hind legs and paw the branches to get to the higher oranges when we picked off the low ones to keep him from them. None of our other dogs ever ate oranges. Very rarely he'd refuse something (the time I made cream puffs the "easy" way--using Wesson Oil instead of melting solid shortening...they were like cobbles. The hardness didn't defeat him--he was a good bone-cruncher--but the taste...bleh.)


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Aaron wrote on Fri, 26 August 2011 13:47

Always supposing I were of a scale where the vibrations from a three kilogram bird would be perceptible. I imagine the fern rhizomes were quaking in fear.




This somehow reminded me of the delightful poem Humming-bird by D.H. Lawrence.

"We look at him through the wrong end of the long telescope of Time,
Luckily for us." Smile
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Aaron wrote on Fri, 26 August 2011 14:47

**Herons stalk too but they are spindly rather than solid.


I generally describe a heron's mode of ambulation as "storking" rather than "stalking" -- it's not strictly accurate as a stork is a different sort of bird, but it sounds like a heron's motion looks...

If that makes any sense at all to someone who wasn't woken up early by the combination of the UPS beeping (power off temporarily due to hurricane Irene -- we're inland enough we're fine) and the cat demanding breakfast. Smile

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shalea wrote on Sat, 27 August 2011 11:53


I generally describe a heron's mode of ambulation as "storking" rather than "stalking" -- it's not strictly accurate as a stork is a different sort of bird, but it sounds like a heron's motion looks...


Obviously someone who uses a rhotic dialect of English - to me, non-rhotic, the two are homonyms!


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Mrs Redboots wrote on Sun, 28 August 2011 08:34


Obviously someone who uses a rhotic dialect of English - to me, non-rhotic, the two are homonyms!


I so had to google "rhotic."


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So did I, and that was fascinating!


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Neat! I'd never heard of that before. I love "accent maps."

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Mrs Redboots wrote on Sun, 28 August 2011 08:34

shalea wrote on Sat, 27 August 2011 11:53


I generally describe a heron's mode of ambulation as "storking" rather than "stalking" -- it's not strictly accurate as a stork is a different sort of bird, but it sounds like a heron's motion looks...


Obviously someone who uses a rhotic dialect of English - to me, non-rhotic, the two are homonyms!


And though I work with a number of non-rhotic speakers, that had never occurred to me!

[Updated on: Sun, 28 August 2011 10:55]

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I don't necessarily expect bloat with rumbling guts, nor do they signal an inevitable bout of diarrhea, but I do associate them with gas. When I can hear someone's innards from across the room, someone gets Gas-X, whether he or she is looking or acting uncomfortable or not. There's an acupressure point near the stifle that I use if anyone's stomach strikes my neurotic brain as being a little tense. And I take great comfort from the presence of an emergency clinic fifteen minutes away.



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