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Another day..


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SIXTEEN BELLS?????

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Speaking of Lovecraft ... here is some cthocolate ice cream for you.
(I was looking at Diane Duane's tweets, and she retweeted something interesting by ianwrighting, and he retweeted this by jeremiahtolbert. Twitter is eeeevil.
Re: Just another day of infamy [message #38620 is a reply to message #38617 ] Tue, 25 January 2011 21:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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but why is there now a narrow cattle-ring round Citadel Hill? Maybe it's a bull-wark? Very Happy

Gosh! A peal of 16 is impressive; Niall is gathering some good potential candidates for his handbell victi... err, students Smile


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Re: Just another day of infamy [message #38626 is a reply to message #38617 ] Wed, 26 January 2011 01:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Depressing as it is to have a failed dentist appointment, it's way better to have the new teeth adjusted before they get cemented into your mouth. I was at the dentist this morning and have to schedule an appointment to have a crown redone. Aaargh.

Congratulations on escaping Death by Cow and Death by Disintegrating Car. I hope the anesthesia left quietly.

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southdowner wrote on Tue, 25 January 2011 20:30

but why is there now a narrow cattle-ring round Citadel Hill? Maybe it's a bull-wark? Very Happy


Ouch! Good one! Very Happy



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Re: Just another day of infamy [message #38637 is a reply to message #38617 ] Wed, 26 January 2011 12:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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^ There were also excellent flapjacks.+ I’ll come back to Caitlin’s house any time.


In my opinion, Caitlin has supernatural powers.

I think I've been cursed by the Goddess of Flapjacks. Last time I produced proper flapjacks - caramelly, squidgy, with just the right amount of 'bite' - was about 25 years ago. I don't know which recipe I used, but not a single variation I have tried since has worked. Sad This distresses me to an unreasonable degree. I've tried different ratios of sugar to syrup to butter, different cooking temps...everything! Whatever, it comes out tough and oily, or just pale and flabby. Anyone know an idiot-proof method?!

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Re: Just another day of infamy [message #38638 is a reply to message #38637 ] Wed, 26 January 2011 12:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Inkwell wrote on Wed, 26 January 2011 11:00

^ There were also excellent flapjacks.+ I’ll come back to Caitlin’s house any time.


In my opinion, Caitlin has supernatural powers.

I think I've been cursed by the Goddess of Flapjacks. Last time I produced proper flapjacks - caramelly, squidgy, with just the right amount of 'bite' - was about 25 years ago. I don't know which recipe I used, but not a single variation I have tried since has worked. Sad This distresses me to an unreasonable degree. I've tried different ratios of sugar to syrup to butter, different cooking temps...everything! Whatever, it comes out tough and oily, or just pale and flabby. Anyone know an idiot-proof method?!



Is this what you're looking for?
http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/English-Flapjack/Detail.aspx


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Re: Just another day of infamy [message #38640 is a reply to message #38617 ] Wed, 26 January 2011 13:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have to ask.

How are American flapjacks different? Is this another of those scone/biscuit confusions?
Re: Just another day of infamy [message #38641 is a reply to message #38640 ] Wed, 26 January 2011 14:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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American flapjacks can be flapped! Why else call them that?


They are also called pancakes - a batter of egg, milk, flour, and baking powder poured onto a griddle in rounds from 4-8 inches diameter. When light brown on one side they are turned. Some legendary short-order cooks are said to have been able to flip them by a deft twisting lift of the skillet - probably apocryphal. They are served singly or in a stack of two or three, with butter, maple syrup, jam, strawberries, or any number of creative toppings. They are sort of like crepes, only much thicker.

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Re: Just another day of infamy [message #38644 is a reply to message #38617 ] Wed, 26 January 2011 19:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Speaking of which, isn't there a pancake thread in Playing With Your food?


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Why yes there is!! Smile

Yes, the flapjack controversy comes up every time my Yorkshire friend Des is over for the big game convention; he threatens to make flapjacks, we razz him about the definition of the word, he makes bannock instead and then complains that he doesn't know what "gas mark" the oven is on. Smile Smile


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It had never occurred to me before reading this blog that there could exist any other way of calibrating oven controls save temperature ??! Live and learn.

Of course I learned by experience when our family was in England in 1971 that "corn flour" is not corn meal, but cornstarch. We had that pound of corn flour in the cabinet for years before we used it up. (thickening gravies not being a frequent activity in our kitchen)
Re: Just another day of infamy [message #38685 is a reply to message #38617 ] Thu, 27 January 2011 09:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh dear, I hadn't realised that British flapjacks are a completely different animal to the American version. Smile American flapjacks sound to me a bit like something called either a Derbyshire or Staffordshire 'oatcake' over here. It's a thick oatmeal pancake cooked in frying pan, or on a griddle, and when done it has small perforations all over the top. It can definitely be flapped! British flapjacks cannot be flapped, unless the Flapjack Goddess has cursed you. Scotch pancakes are something else again - more like a soft drop scone.

@Robyn Sue - yes, that's the sort of thing I mean. Not that I trust any recipe now!

About Gas Marks...I haven't used a gas oven since I was a teenager, but I remember that Gas Mark 4 is equivalent to about 180 Celsius, and Gas Mark 6 = 200 degrees C. Meringues went in overnight on Gas Mark 1.
Re: Just another day of infamy [message #38687 is a reply to message #38685 ] Thu, 27 January 2011 09:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"flapjacks" and "pancakes" are completely synonymous, at least in my region. It's just a backwoods/country way of saying pancake--any kind of pancake. Smile

And of course, being difficult Americans, our ovens are calibrated in Farenheit temperatures. We always have to just get on the internet and figure out what temp Des is actually trying to bake at. (Standard baking temp is 350, usually.)

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Re: Just another day of infamy [message #38697 is a reply to message #38685 ] Thu, 27 January 2011 11:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Inkwell wrote on Thu, 27 January 2011 08:39

@Robyn Sue - yes, that's the sort of thing I mean. Not that I trust any recipe now!


Just try it, you can make a small batch to try with (you can change the serving size with allrecipes). You're like my mother, she can't make biscuits (you can play hockey with them). We think she kneads to much, so maybe you do something too much or not enough or not fast enough. I'm trying to be helpful and encouraging. Would it help if I made some? Smile

Your flapjacks remind me of our cranberry bread. I make cranberry bread once it gets cool outside. Problem is my mom and I are having trouble finding the right recipe. The one Nanny (my grandmother) had she had gotten from my mom, which is the one I used this winter. It was missing something. Anyway, I think we finally found the right recipe...after we ran out of cranberries (we stock up on them in Spring and Summer and put them in the freezer).


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Re: Just another day of infamy [message #38698 is a reply to message #38697 ] Thu, 27 January 2011 12:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Robyn Sue wrote on Thu, 27 January 2011 11:45

You're like my mother, she can't make biscuits (you can play hockey with them). We think she kneads to much, so maybe you do something too much or not enough or not fast enough.

Oh, dear. That would do it. Biscuits shouldn't really be kneaded. You basically just fold the dough over on itself three to five times, and pat it gently out to be cut with the biscuit cutter. (Mmm... now I want homemade biscuits with butter and honey.)

ETA: You also want to use a relatively low gluten flour. In certain parts of the US, all-purpose flour will have too much gluten to make good biscuits, so you'd need to replace some of the flour with a cake flour or something. (I've heard you can replace a couple tablespoons of flour per cup with corn starch, and that will help reduce the gluten content. I haven't tried it myself, though.)

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I make buttermilk biscuits without buttermilk. What I do is I measure out about 2 cups milk and add about a tablespoon or two of vinegar for every one cup, give or take. My biscuits come out well. Plus, it's a Weight Watchers recipe (old now, but still good). Now I want biscuits...


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blondviolinist wrote on Thu, 27 January 2011 11:27

(Mmm... now I want homemade biscuits with butter and honey.)



I just found a wonderful product at my local natural foods co-op--sour cherry butter, containing nothing but cooked-down sour cherries. Oh My Goodness. I have been thinking since I bought it that it really needs to be accompanied by freshly-baked (and buttered) biscuits. Yum!



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Diane in MN wrote on Fri, 28 January 2011 05:56

blondviolinist wrote on Thu, 27 January 2011 11:27

(Mmm... now I want homemade biscuits with butter and honey.)



I just found a wonderful product at my local natural foods co-op--sour cherry butter, containing nothing but cooked-down sour cherries. Oh My Goodness. I have been thinking since I bought it that it really needs to be accompanied by freshly-baked (and buttered) biscuits. Yum!


Hmmm, clearly the biscuits referred to on this this thread are not what I in the UK would think of as biscuits. With butter and jam (or divine sounding sour cherry butter) on them, they sound more like scones! Smile


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CathyR wrote on Fri, 28 January 2011 09:07

Diane in MN wrote on Fri, 28 January 2011 05:56

blondviolinist wrote on Thu, 27 January 2011 11:27

(Mmm... now I want homemade biscuits with butter and honey.)



I just found a wonderful product at my local natural foods co-op--sour cherry butter, containing nothing but cooked-down sour cherries. Oh My Goodness. I have been thinking since I bought it that it really needs to be accompanied by freshly-baked (and buttered) biscuits. Yum!


Hmmm, clearly the biscuits referred to on this this thread are not what I in the UK would think of as biscuits. With butter and jam (or divine sounding sour cherry butter) on them, they sound more like scones! Smile


Check out this link for American-style biscuits:
http://www.google.fr/images?hl=fr&q=biscuits%20southern& amp;um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi
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A biscuit (US) is definitely what I would call a scone (England), in that case.

Is it my imagination or are there more differences between US English and English English in the area of food than anything else? Smile


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Okay, I'll give it go. I'm sufficiently greedy to keep trying. Smile You make some too and report back...

UK flapjacks aren't kneaded, but made intially in a saucepan. You melt butter, sugar and golden syrup, then add rolled (porridge) oats. No flour is used, but you can add nuts, seeds, dried fruit etc. You pour the whole lot into a baking tin and transfer to the oven, where alchemy takes place - if you're someone other than me.

There do seem to be more differences between British English and American English over food than other subjects. Or at least, when we talk about food we use concrete (ha ha) nouns. Perhaps the differences in usage elsewhere in the language are more subtle and less obvious.

When I was at junior (elementary) school, one of the teachers went on an exchange to the US. For a whole year the class next to ours gained a charming and very tall Texan lady, who told us she was "five feet thirteen-and-a-half". She introduced the school to the idea of "cookies", which we all knew were really called biscuits. She was the kind of teacher who drew in kids from neighbouring classes, even on playground duty, so we all willingly referred to biscuits as "cookies" for that year. I wish I could remember what kind were the ones she made for us - they were delicious.
Re: Just another day of infamy [message #38720 is a reply to message #38718 ] Fri, 28 January 2011 06:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What they sell as "scones" in the trendier bakeries here, i.e. places like the Starbucks in Barnes and Noble, are NOT biscuits. Biscuits are very tender; there is no crunch to them. They are best straight out of the oven and couldn't possibly sit in a display case all day and still be edible. So maybe your scones are something else.
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abigailmm wrote on Fri, 28 January 2011 11:42

What they sell as "scones" in the trendier bakeries here, i.e. places like the Starbucks in Barnes and Noble, are NOT biscuits. Biscuits are very tender; there is no crunch to them. They are best straight out of the oven and couldn't possibly sit in a display case all day and still be edible. So maybe your scones are something else.

When my scones first come out of the oven they have a slight scrunch to the outside due to the heat of the oven (one cooks them in a very hot oven for about 12 minutes) but they're certainly not crisp in any way - would be considered a failure if they were - and are definitely soft and tender inside (bit like me, really... Razz).

The scones one can buy in packets in a shop are soft all over but that's because they've been sitting in a plastic film packet I assume. And the shop ones have a shelf-life generally of about 4 - 5 days but that will be because of all the preservatives in them. I am not a fan of shop-bought scones.


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Having eaten lots of both--biscuits are flakier than scones. While the batter can be pretty similar, the end texture is a little different.

One interesting thing--scones in America are nearly always triangular in shape. Not so in Britain, where they can be round (and thus more like our biscuits.) Any theories on why?


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Black Bear wrote on Fri, 28 January 2011 13:05

Having eaten lots of both--biscuits are flakier than scones. While the batter can be pretty similar, the end texture is a little different.

One interesting thing--scones in America are nearly always triangular in shape. Not so in Britain, where they can be round (and thus more like our biscuits.) Any theories on why?

How about scones are round because one can get more jam and clotted cream on that shape? Smile




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AJLR wrote on Fri, 28 January 2011 05:25

Is it my imagination or are there more differences between US English and English English in the area of food than anything else? Smile

Probably Smile I use a variation of my biscuit recipe when I make scones: more add-ins of whatever type (fruit, cheese, citrus zest.) There are two goals for a skilled US Southern-style biscuit baker: make them super flaky, and get them to rise sky-high. I don't worry nearly as much about either the flake or the rise when I'm making scones.

(Anyone want to come over to my place for biscuits & gravy for breakfast? I never make it just for myself, but if I had a crowd...)


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blondviolinist wrote on Fri, 28 January 2011 08:05


(Anyone want to come over to my place for biscuits & gravy for breakfast? I never make it just for myself, but if I had a crowd...)


Me! I love biscuits and gravy for breakfast. Add a side of grits and (to me) it's a country breakfast. If I go somewhere for breakfast and they have biscuits and gravy, that's what I'm getting. I'm too lazy to make them myself. Smile


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Robyn Sue wrote on Fri, 28 January 2011 11:59


Me! I love biscuits and gravy for breakfast. Add a side of grits and (to me) it's a country breakfast. If I go somewhere for breakfast and they have biscuits and gravy, that's what I'm getting. I'm too lazy to make them myself. Smile


They'll have to be cornmeal grits. It's hard to get hominy grits this far north.


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AJLR wrote on Fri, 28 January 2011 08:18


How about scones are round because one can get more jam and clotted cream on that shape? Smile




LOL! But remember we're Americans--we also make them about 3 times bigger than British scones. Luckily, clotted cream is VERY hard to find over here, else we'd all be the size of houses. Smile


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Biscuits and gravy!!???
For breakfast?!

Clearly not scones, then! Wink


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CathyR wrote on Fri, 28 January 2011 13:45

Biscuits and gravy!!???
For breakfast?!

Clearly not scones, then! Wink



No, not scones. Smile Southern-style biscuits are savory, and the gravy is white gravy (more or less bechamel sauce) with ground pork sausage.


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blondviolinist wrote on Fri, 28 January 2011 19:43

CathyR wrote on Fri, 28 January 2011 13:45

Biscuits and gravy!!???
For breakfast?!

Clearly not scones, then! Wink



No, not scones. Smile Southern-style biscuits are savory, and the gravy is white gravy (more or less bechamel sauce) with ground pork sausage.


Sausages with a white sauce? I must admit that wouldn't be a combination that would occur to me but I'm sure it's delicious in the hands of a Southern cook. Smile
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As she said, more or less bechamel. Generally no butter in the roux. You cook the sausages, either as patties to eat on the side of the biscuits, or as crumbles to mix in the gravy. Then use the pan drippings as the fat for the roux (or as my mother always did, mix the flour with the milk and add to the pan). That's also how you make the white gravy to go with fried chicken. (mmmmmmm!)

The biscuits are not exactly savory, but definitely not sweet, and not full of raisins, cranberries, nuts, or anything like that. Just flour, butter, milk (or buttermilk), baking powder, and a bit of salt. Ooohh, and this year I have my own honey!

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We don't use link or patty sausages. It's more like ground beef consistency, cooked into loose crumbles.

This is pretty close to what I make: http://thepioneerwoman.com/tasty-kitchen/recipes/main-course s/sausage-gravy-and-biscuits/

ETA: Yeah, what abigailmm said Smile

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I have no idea how we came to use "biscuit" for this quick-bread, and "cookie" for what you call biscuits. We do have that term for small crunchy things, but only in the sense of "dog biscuits," little cookie-like treats, often shaped like a miniature bone, for dogs. So what do you all call those?
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This is beginning to remind me of my favorite Wikipedia talk page ever, Muffin (English). Go on, read it. It's beautiful. There is very nearly an international incident over the "correct" terminology for various bread items.
Re: Just another day of infamy [message #38751 is a reply to message #38725 ] Fri, 28 January 2011 16:39 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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(Anyone want to come over to my place for biscuits & gravy for breakfast? I never make it just for myself, but if I had a crowd...)


I'll be right on over!
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