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| Re: Favorite Obscure Fairytale [message #1877 is a reply to message #1620 ] |
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| Reading Angel wrote on Sat, 18 October 2008 21:39 |
I really need to read Till We Have Faces some time when I'm not sick-to-death and lying on the bed doing nothing... People always talk about it and I think "I've read it twice, how do I not remember any of the details?" Is it incredibly vague and dream-like for anyone else or is it because of how very sick I was both times I attempted it?
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I agree. I was in Cyprus in April (not for a resort vacation), and we went to a museum near the heart of the island's cult of Aphrodite - and I saw the Aphrodite idol that Lewis describes in the book. I have never had trouble understanding how people could worship a carved figure - but I was standing in front of a big, black rock that was once a goddess. It had so much more imaginative heft to it because it was dark and quiet and faceless.
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| Re: Favorite Obscure Fairytale [message #1885 is a reply to message #1877 ] |
Wed, 22 October 2008 10:51 |
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Alright, now I know I was really out of it when I read it - I don't recall there being an idol mentioned at all, much less described...
"The center of every man's existence is a dream. Death, disease, insanity, are merely material accidents, like a toothache or a twisted ankle. That these brutal forces always besiege and often capture the citadel does not prove that they are the citadel."
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| Re: Favorite Obscure Fairytale [message #1886 is a reply to message #1531 ] |
Wed, 22 October 2008 10:52 |
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The Enchanted Forest Chronicles incorporate almost all the traditional fairy tales, have a heroine who can look out for herself, thankyouverymuch, and have been my favorites for a long time.
But my favorite Traditionals are The Ugly Duckling, the Twelve Dancing Princesses, and the Brave Little Tailor.
Scar
"People think that stories are shaped by people. In fact, it's the other way around."
T.P.
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| Re: Favorite Obscure Fairytale [message #1966 is a reply to message #1531 ] |
Wed, 22 October 2008 23:25 |
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I love the Enchanted Forest Chronicles! I still occasionally giggle to myself for no reason, and people will say "Charis, what's so funny?" "Teddy bears! Pink teddy bears!" "...What?" "On the flying carpet! Teehee!" "Whatever, Charis."
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| Re: Favorite Obscure Fairytale [message #1967 is a reply to message #1910 ] |
Wed, 22 October 2008 23:38 |
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| Reading Angel wrote on Wed, 22 October 2008 11:51 |
I don't recall there being an idol mentioned at all, much less described...
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| Melissa Mead wrote on Wed, 22 October 2008 18:34 |
I never knew that was real!
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I just went back to my copy of the book to see if my first impression of the stone was correct - Lewis calls Ungit "a black stone without head or hands or face, and a very strong goddess" and she is a pre-Aphrodite, as this idol in Cyprus was. I didn't make my way all through TWHF again, but I remember there are many similarities between how this idol was worshipped and how Lewis describes Ungit's worship. Here's a photo that I took (before I realized we weren't supposed to take pictures, oops!) of the stone:
Sorry if this is a little OT. 
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| Re: Favorite Obscure Fairytale [message #2013 is a reply to message #1531 ] |
Thu, 23 October 2008 15:38 |
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Charis, don't feel bad. Every now and then I pull things like "but I liked being green, and it was fun having monkey paws" (Book of Enchantments, 64 Curses of Calif Arsendad [probably butchered that] ) and no one gets it but me (and my sister when she's around).
Maya, you totally missed out on a great scapegoat then. Mr. Nobody was perfect. 
Did anyone else ever read the Moon's Revenge? A seventh son of a seventh son wants to be the best fiddler ever, so he throws his shoes at the moon for a week. The moon grants his wish, but is angry that the shoes marred his face, and curses the child's sister to be mute forever. He's not worried because he has no sister...until his mom gives birth to a little girl who never cries.
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self respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious.
--H.L. Mencken
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| Re: Favorite Obscure Fairytale [message #2025 is a reply to message #1531 ] |
Thu, 23 October 2008 16:54 |
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scosborne--thank you for that photo! The idol looks so much like I'd pictured it--scary! And wonderful. And remember how most of the women still--at least the poor ones did--worship Ungit even though they brought in a fancy new Aphrodite? I always loved that part in the book.
"And by the way you look fantastic in your boots of Chinese plastic."
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| Re: Favorite Obscure Fairytale [message #2185 is a reply to message #1531 ] |
Sat, 25 October 2008 16:30 |
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Heh.
I hope you like it.
"And by the way you look fantastic in your boots of Chinese plastic."
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| Re: Favorite Obscure Fairytale [message #2266 is a reply to message #1531 ] |
Sun, 26 October 2008 00:27 |
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I loved "Ladyhawk" when it first came out. It was my favorite movie for a long time. Though Matthew Broderick wasn't that great (what an accent!).
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"And by the way you look fantastic in your boots of Chinese plastic."
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| Re: Favorite Obscure Fairytale [message #2278 is a reply to message #1531 ] |
Sun, 26 October 2008 01:32 |
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I love Ladyhawke! And you're right, it is very much a fairytale story... I have no idea if it actually is one, though.
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"The center of every man's existence is a dream. Death, disease, insanity, are merely material accidents, like a toothache or a twisted ankle. That these brutal forces always besiege and often capture the citadel does not prove that they are the citadel."
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| Re: Favorite Obscure Fairytale [message #2314 is a reply to message #1531 ] |
Sun, 26 October 2008 12:59 |
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i love ladyhawk too and i have it on vhs tape. i watch it once a year.
Bonnie Holmes the faster ahead I go, the more behind I get
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Sun, 26 October 2008 16:21 |
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| Katherine wrote on Sun, 26 October 2008 15:36 |
I LOVE Ladyhawke!! Though I really wish they would do a new version and rescore it. I thought the music was awful and dated when it came out much less 17 years down the road. (Or however long). It's really a most beautifully made film, though. That's when I fell in love with Rutger Hauer, Michelle Pfeiffer has never been more luminously beautiful, and...oh, raptors and Andalusians and black wolves, oh, my. *happy swoon*
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Them's fightin' words there Katherine! I love that score, bought it on CD and it's still some of my favorite long-car-trip music. But I've always been a fan of Alan Parsons Project.... it's not for everyone, for sure! I know a lot of folks who feel the same way about it. Probably more who dislike it than like it, come to think of it...
"Goliath" is actually a Friesian horse rather than Andalusian. (I went to an event once which included a demonstration by the Friesian Horse Society of America, or something along those lines, and they made QUITE a big deal of the famous movie star Friesians...) Gorgeous beasts!
"The time is always right to do what's right."--MLK Jr.
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| Re: Favorite Obscure Fairytale [message #2354 is a reply to message #1531 ] |
Sun, 26 October 2008 17:02 |
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Yay Ladyhawke! I believe that it is loosely based on an Italian legend, but only very loosely....
The music is wacky, but I do love Alan Parsons Project--and the wacky music is part of the deal with the older fantasy movies that I love so dearly (Labyrinth! how do I love thee! random songs and bizarre sexual tension and deeply awkward pants and all!). It just wouldn't be the same without it!
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| Re: Favorite Obscure Fairytale [message #2372 is a reply to message #1531 ] |
Sun, 26 October 2008 19:20 |
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Babe, David Bowie ALWAYS wear awkward pants.
"And by the way you look fantastic in your boots of Chinese plastic."
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Sun, 26 October 2008 23:37 |
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| Black Bear wrote on Sun, 26 October 2008 18:30 |
as soon as Bowie came on, one of my young coworkers (who hadn't seen it before) let out an involuntary "Oh my GOD!" when she saw his....er...pants.
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Those pants scarred (and scared) me as a child.... still love the movie, though, once I overcame the fear.
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self respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious.
--H.L. Mencken
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Sun, 26 October 2008 23:56 |
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Akai
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That's because it's amazing.
What is there in the movie that isn't to love: Sick kid being read to by grandpa? good. Giants teamed up with vertically challenged people with large vocabularies? Good. Sailing? good. Pirates? good. Miracles and resurrections? good! big rats? good. Witty repartee during fencing matches between masters? Great! The bad guy proving just how cowardly he is... priceless. That's why over a generation of people have been raised on The Princess Bride.
Ok, I'm done extolling it's awesomeness now. (Oh, and I forgot to mention True Love, which doesn't happen every day.)
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self respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious.
--H.L. Mencken
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| Re: Favorite Obscure Fairytale [message #2425 is a reply to message #2421 ] |
Mon, 27 October 2008 00:12 |
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| Julia wrote on Mon, 27 October 2008 04:57 |
| L.R.K. wrote on Sun, 26 October 2008 23:45 |
My favourite fantasy film from the '80:s is - beyond any doubt, (I adore, adore it) - is The Princess Bride!
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You have read the book... right?!?!?!?
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Yes.
My edition is the 25th anniversary edition - and ends with an "explanation"/extract? from "Buttercup's Baby" - is this an actual book, do you know?
And Akai - what a lovely description of The Princess Bride! So true!
Why, I feel all thin, sort of stretched, if you know what I mean, like butter that has been scraped over too much bread.
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| Re: Favorite Obscure Fairytale [message #2431 is a reply to message #2430 ] |
Mon, 27 October 2008 00:40 |
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| Julia wrote on Mon, 27 October 2008 00:26 |
| L.R.K. wrote on Mon, 27 October 2008 00:12 |
Yes.
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oh good. I was sure that you must have done, but felt that I needed to ask, just in case.
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My edition is the 25th anniversary edition - and ends with an "explanation"/extract? from "Buttercup's Baby" - is this an actual book, do you know?
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Mine is the same edition. I don't believe that "Buttercup's Baby" is an actual thing... I remember reading something about it somewhere though. Hm. I'll just wander off to Google and check.
[this is taking longer than I thought. I'll post this and come back when/ if I find anything...]
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I don't -think- it is. I tried to find the unabridged version once, before I found that William Goldman just wrote it... I was very sad. I want to know the inbetween bits!
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| Re: Favorite Obscure Fairytale [message #2437 is a reply to message #1531 ] |
Mon, 27 October 2008 01:19 |
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I used to fence and the sword scenes in The Princess Bride are so good--but they're also very funny if you know what to look for. I mean besides all the regular fun (I am not left-handed!) The fencing itself is spectacular and based on real moves, but they tweaked that scene just enough to be almost a mockery of real fencing in some places--and get it perfect in other places. Really amazing.
"And by the way you look fantastic in your boots of Chinese plastic."
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| Re: Favorite Obscure Fairytale [message #2443 is a reply to message #2437 ] |
Mon, 27 October 2008 01:48 |
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I fenced as well. Would still, if I had somewhere to do it. And yeah, doing that made Princess Bride even more fun to watch. Also a favorite film, here. ^^
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| Re: Favorite Obscure Fairytale [message #2467 is a reply to message #2351 ] |
Mon, 27 October 2008 09:07 |
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Black Bear wrote on Sun, 26 October 2008 16:21
"Goliath" is actually a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friesian_horse |
Friesian[/url] horse rather than Andalusian. (I went to an event once which included a demonstration by the Friesian Horse Society of America, or something along those lines, and they made QUITE a big deal of the famous movie star Friesians...) Gorgeous beasts!
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Argh! That's what I MEANT, dang it. It even felt wrong when I was typing it, but... *sigh* I know. I used to have posters of Friesians hanging on my bedroom wall. Brain fart.
I'm glad you enjoyed the score, though! I won't fight with you.  I will differ with you, but I won't fight.
Every day for the next year, I'm taking and posting at least one picture. Stop by and take a look!
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Mon, 27 October 2008 09:19 |
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| ssshunt wrote on Mon, 27 October 2008 07:19 |
I used to fence and the sword scenes in The Princess Bride are so good--but they're also very funny if you know what to look for. I mean besides all the regular fun (I am not left-handed!) The fencing itself is spectacular and based on real moves, but they tweaked that scene just enough to be almost a mockery of real fencing in some places--and get it perfect in other places. Really amazing.
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I almost made my tag line: "My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die!" but I felt it might be a tad obscure and nobody would get it. Obviously I was thinking of the wrong crowd.
Princess Bride Rules.
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“I have always imagined heaven to be a kind of library.” –Jorge Luis Borges
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| Re: Favorite Obscure Fairytale [message #2475 is a reply to message #2473 ] |
Mon, 27 October 2008 10:29 |
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So my local Rocky Horror Picture Show used to have a gap in the tape, right when Frank N Furter gets shot by the creepy butler dude whose name I can't remember. I'm not sure what the story behind it was, but it had spliced in a few seconds of black with the text, "Scott fucked up". To which the callback was, "Thanks, Scott!"
So, the showing before they got a new copy of the movie, that black tape got replaced with the classic scene between Count Rugen and Inigo Montoya. And the shadow actors playing the butler-dude and Rocky smoothly transition from RHPS to Princess Bride. Only the guy playing Rocky/Inigo is easily beating butlerdude/Rugen, because the latter actor had apparently NEVER SEEN THE MOVIE. So,Rocky keeps doing "Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die." followed with, "But YOU didn't see the movie!" *bats sword aside and advances*.
Of course, the audience is quoting it right along with the actor. It was one of the most hilarious nights I've ever had doing RHPS.
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