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Laundry. No, FRELLING laundry [message #25164]

Tue, 12 January 2010 18:36

b_twin_1
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Dirty laundry here...

I've got a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel ~ Blackadder

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Tue, 12 January 2010 19:57

Vikkik
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Oh dear!
Why do washing machines always pick a really bad time to break?

(although, on the bright side - at least you have the option of using Peter's one - just think if that wet soapy washing had to hang around for a week? Wink

)

*Hides before Robin can slay me*

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Tue, 12 January 2010 20:37

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Oh dear. *looks back at the Large Chunks of Ice, wet towels and pans of water* Yes, you definitely beat my defrosting the freezer. Though I can speak from today's experience about the Evils of Slosh!

This is goodnight and not goodbye.

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Tue, 12 January 2010 21:29

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What about a short length of rubber hose and some suction?
Beats the snot out of bailing.

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Tue, 12 January 2010 21:56

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GORGEOUS rose! One is even tempted to ask, "Is it real?" though I know of course it is.

I know of no way to even get the water out of my front-loader, should this happen. (knock on wood)

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Wed, 13 January 2010 00:06

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After that earlier laundry entry I actually went and had a look at our front loader. There at floor level was a little hose. Cute.

A couple of months ago it decided it wasn't going. From the error showing up on the screen I presumed it was a suction problem. Oh the joy when I was able to use my McKinley-sourced-knowledge! Draining the water didn't help though and I had to call the repair company.
The guy who came out hadn't seen the model before and we basically just started to take it apart... No real problems showing up... In the end we screwed it all back together and it worked. LOL Probably just had a small blockage that unblocked with our fiddling. Razz

Hope yours is fixed that easily!!

I am enjoying walking home at mmmph o’clock in the morning. And the hellhounds clearly do too^.
*snork*

^ Ooooh! they say. To be abroad in the pit of darkness and, possibly, chaos! Oooooh! The only drawback is the hissing at them when we first saltate out the front door of the mews and commence to ricochet with excitement around the courtyard under everybody’s bedroom windows. All right, you can’t hiss No! and you can’t even hiss Ssssstop that! very effectively, but you know what I mean.
*snerk* Sad to say I know exactly what you mean. Dogs.

Roses.... mmmmmmmm Smile

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Wed, 13 January 2010 03:53

Diane in MN
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Dead washing machine.
Desolation of winter
Just to contemplate.

I eventually BAILED IT BY HAND.

Horror show. I have not checked to see what sort of rescue arrangements exist on my front-loader, should it give up the ghost mid-cycle, but at least my laundry room is in the basement and a floor drain sits right underneath the machine.

I probably shouldn't ask, but how much help did the hellhounds offer to give you while you were engaged in this operation?

All right, you can’t hiss No! and you can’t even hiss Ssssstop that! very effectively, but you know what I mean.

Oh yes indeed. Smile

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Wed, 13 January 2010 09:06

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And where exactly was I going to apply this hose? The hose out the back end--where the water SHOULD flow out--is 'locked' like the loading door. The tiny trap door near the floor opens on a large plastic screw head like the top of a jar which as soon as you begin to unscrew it, starts pouring with water AROUND the critter-hair trap.

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Wed, 13 January 2010 09:08

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ERROR ON THE SCREEN???? Jeepers creepers. I don't got no sissy screen. It just STOPS WORKING. :)

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Wed, 13 January 2010 09:10

Robin
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LAUNDRY *ROOM*? **BASEMENT**?? ****DRAIN IN FLOOR****?

::weeps wildly::

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Wed, 13 January 2010 09:32

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Obviously, you need a top-loader on the next go-round. Smile

I've never had a front-loading washer myself--do they have plusses that would make up for this basic failing of un-open-ability in case of crisis?

_{"The time is always right to do what's right."--MLK Jr.}

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Wed, 13 January 2010 10:34

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Diane in MN wrote on Wed, 13 January 2010 08:53

Dead washing machine.
Desolation of winter
Just to contemplate.

Very nice haiku, Diane. Smile

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Wed, 13 January 2010 14:21

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Black Bear wrote on Wed, 13 January 2010 09:32

Obviously, you need a top-loader on the next go-round. Smile

I've never had a front-loading washer myself--do they have plusses that would make up for this basic failing of un-open-ability in case of crisis?

1) Use less water (VERY important for our little drought-inclined-living-off-rainwater situation)

2) Gentler on clothes (even if it says handwash... it goes right in Very Happy

)

3) Less soap (= better for environment)

4) Don't have to lift heavy washing UP out of machine (= better for bad backs)

5) Use less power

(Ours does an an "emergency catch" to be able to open in situations like that. It's written somewhere in the manual I think. But at least ours has a teeny weeny hose to help drain off the water first!!)

I've got a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel ~ Blackadder

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Wed, 13 January 2010 14:42

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Black Bear wrote on Wed, 13 January 2010 14:32

Obviously, you need a top-loader on the next go-round. Smile

I've never had a front-loading washer myself--do they have plusses that would make up for this basic failing of un-open-ability in case of crisis?

I don't think you can get them here - actually, that's not true, you can, but only a very few models, which cost about 5 times as much as normal ones, and, of course, you can't stick them tidily under the worktop as you need to get into them, so that's all that space wasted! Our houses tend to be rather a lot smaller than yours!

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Wed, 13 January 2010 16:03

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Depends on where you are and when your house was built; my house is exceedingly small, and my washer/dryer are crammed at the very end of my long narrow kitchen space. Smile

Wasn't aware that there was a difference in water/power usage, that's interesting. But I confess I put all my "hand-wash" stuff into my top-loader, and I've not regretted it yet!

_{"The time is always right to do what's right."--MLK Jr.}

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Wed, 13 January 2010 16:32

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Mrs Redboots wrote on Wed, 13 January 2010 14:42

Black Bear wrote on Wed, 13 January 2010 14:32

Obviously, you need a top-loader on the next go-round. Smile

I've never had a front-loading washer myself--do they have plusses that would make up for this basic failing of un-open-ability in case of crisis?

Yes, being able to put them under a bench is a huge plus. And you can get the washer/dryer 2-in-1 units as well (if you want to have a dryer).

I've got a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel ~ Blackadder

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Wed, 13 January 2010 16:34

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Quote:

Had an email from a friend that said, I’m in a crummy mood anyway, so it’s okay if I spend the evening folding laundry, right?

I one-upped the hell out of her.

This - the words, the tone, the feeling - has been giving me small snorks all day. Thank you. Smile

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Wed, 13 January 2010 18:47

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b_twin_1 wrote on Thu, 14 January 2010 08:21

Black Bear wrote on Wed, 13 January 2010 09:32

Obviously, you need a top-loader on the next go-round. Smile

I've never had a front-loading washer myself--do they have plusses that would make up for this basic failing of un-open-ability in case of crisis?

1) Use less water (VERY important for our little drought-inclined-living-off-rainwater situation)

2) Gentler on clothes (even if it says handwash... it goes right in Very Happy

)

3) Less soap (= better for environment)

4) Don't have to lift heavy washing UP out of machine (= better for bad backs)

5) Use less power

Having owned both front and top loading I would argue the case actually is 50/50 either way in many instances

1 - water/soap - potentially less water in front loader but the new top loaders have better technology than they used to - mine actually works out how much water per load based on how much the load weighs

2- gentler - not so sure about that either these days - I have a new LG and it doesnt have the big agitator in the middle and I can wash wool and delicates in it no problem

3 - is bending over and crouching and leaning to shove in and out of a floor mounted front loader any better on a bad back?

4 - power - our front loader went for HOURS on economy load and would have used HEAPS more power as a result, I think thats very variable.

Also ours was terribly noisy, took ages, kept having to have the bushes replaced, and took smaller loads (washing took over twice as long to do) didnt spin everything as dry and generally was a PITA. It was an Asko - and cost a fortune as well

My new LG toploader is FANTASTIC - its quiet, and quick, and has a timer (beeps at appropriate times - is easy to select only part of a cyle and automatically works out how much water the load needs

The front loader is totally a winner when you have such limited space as I know you have in the UK, but there are major improvements in technology in top loaders as well. And mine is about 20% smaller than my old (10 yr Gentle Annie) was

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Wed, 13 January 2010 19:27

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THE SINGLE PLUS IS THAT THE EFFING BRITISH DON'T SEEM TO *MAKE* TOP LOADERS. I HAVE NO IDEA WHY. FRONT LOADERS IS WHAT YOU CAN *GET*. Actually, mine is a Bosch. So the effing *Germans* don't make top loaders, and the effing British don't seem to mind. Arrrgh. I had a top loader in the States. AND the filter drained when the REST of the drum did, thank you VERY much.

As I think about it, I think I may have seen the occasional top loader, and I think it/they was/were either dubiously priced (too cheap is as wary-making as too expensive) or excessively ungreen. I do try to buy major appliances that don't spaz unduly with the power ratings.

I can overlook almost everything I consider . . . poor choices in the progress of British civilisation for the public footpath system, which would cover more multitudes of sins than it has to. But I'm not a fan of the average British washing machine.

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Wed, 13 January 2010 19:29

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I still want a top loader. :)

Although if you're right about the power ratings, that would explain why I've never been tempted by the ones I think I've seen here.

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Wed, 13 January 2010 19:31

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Bad power ratings AND expensive. I knew there was a reason . . .

But as for size. . . . Snork. My little house in Blue Hill was as small as my current cottage. I had a *plank* I put over the top of the washing machine and used it as a work surface.

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Wed, 13 January 2010 19:32

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Robin wrote on Wed, 13 January 2010 19:29

I still want a top loader. :)

Although if you're right about the power ratings, that would explain why I've never been tempted by the ones I think I've seen here.

You can use my top loader. (Just as long as you chip in for water. *quietly rants about water system here*)

Smooshes!

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Wed, 13 January 2010 19:32

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Yes. I always put my hand-washables in my top loading Stateside machine. There's this little gizmo called the 'gentle' cycle. :)

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Wed, 13 January 2010 19:33

Robin
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Well, this may have changed. But my experience of those 2 in 1 machines is that . . . they wash badly, and then they don't dry at ALL.

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Wed, 13 January 2010 19:34

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YOu're welcome. One wants one's small disasters to provide pleasure for SOMEONE. :)

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Wed, 13 January 2010 19:36

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Right. This/next time I'm holding out for a top loader. This one is *old* so . . . but then there's the little question of *being able to get it OUT of the kitchen* . . . which I may tell you about after the Fix Man has been here next week. . . .

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Wed, 13 January 2010 19:38

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You mean haul it by bucket from the well? :)

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Wed, 13 January 2010 19:41

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Robin wrote on Wed, 13 January 2010 19:38

You mean haul it by bucket from the well? Smile

Yes, after we do rain dances and get over our colds from dancing in the unfortunate weather. Got to get that well full, you know.

Smooshes!

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Wed, 13 January 2010 20:27

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I LOVE my front-loader because it NEVER "eats" my clothes. My top-loader would trap little folds of fabric under the agitator and chew holes, and it was a top-rated model. Even on so-called "gentle." I confess, I have never researched the question of how to proceed if it stalls halfway through.

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Wed, 13 January 2010 20:48

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My experience with a friend's washer dryer combo (in London) has led me to visit laundromats whenever I am staying with her. I also do handwash (I travel with lots of quick dry clothing) as much as I can.

Because the water which comes from my well has the possibility of staining my clothing etc. a rusty red, I got rid of the machine years ago. To be green, I do my trip to the laundromat at the same time I do my grocery shopping and I air dry even in the winter. What I really love about the laundromat is they have to fix the machines,and mop the floor, and you can do a huge number of loads all at once.

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Wed, 13 January 2010 22:37

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No way to get to it?
Darn.
Bad engineering. Sorry!

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Thu, 14 January 2010 00:00

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BlueRose wrote on Wed, 13 January 2010 18:47

1. Our front loader works on the weight system too Smile

(Glad to know they have introduced it for the top loaders as well!)
2. The Delicates were a bit hit-and-miss with our old top-loader's Delicates cycle - hence my appreciation of the front loader. Smile

3. Front loaders easier on the back: They are when you are short... LOL
4. Some interesting information about the differences re energy use can be found at one of our government websites. They have a list of all the available washers and compares them in terms of energy.
Here is the website that deals with water ratings.
The front loaders win hands-down on both energy and water use. (There is no rating for ease of bailing out the water when it decides to die on you... Razz

)

The front loaders do have longer time cycles than the top loaders which can be annoying. For not-so-dirty clothes I often use the "quick wash" option. Smile

Have never had any trouble with ours not cleaning clothes - and I have a farm. Spin cycle is totally adjustable too in terms of speed. And noise.. well ours wasn't as bad once it was actually on a level surface (although the final spin cycle can sound dramatic at 1800rpm!)

Like all things, it just depends on your needs as to which will be most useful to you. Smile

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Thu, 14 January 2010 00:26

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Thanks, AJLR!

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Thu, 14 January 2010 00:34

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skating librarian wrote on Wed, 13 January 2010 19:48

Because the water which comes from my well has the possibility of staining my clothing etc. a rusty red, I got rid of the machine years ago.

Do you have the option of installing an iron filter? We are on a well and have terrible water here--rust precipitates out when water comes directly from the well--and I have a softener and iron filter to make it usable, and a reverse osmosis filter too for drinking water. Otherwise I would probably have orange clothes: the original iron filter installed by the builder was not very good, and while my clothes didn't stain, I was always having to scrub out orange gunk from the washing machine tub.

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Thu, 14 January 2010 00:58

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Robin wrote on Wed, 13 January 2010 18:29

I still want a top loader. Smile

Although if you're right about the power ratings, that would explain why I've never been tempted by the ones I think I've seen here.

That was part of the reason why I got a front-loader when I replaced my old top-loader; the other important thing was the reduced water usage, particularly attractive because we're on a septic system. I looked at Bosch but bought Maytag--old habits die hard--and hearing about your Bosch confirms that decision. Smile

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Thu, 14 January 2010 09:20

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Well I will reread this thread VERY CAREFULLY if the Washing Machine Man says 'get a new one' next week. :(

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Thu, 14 January 2010 14:08

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Mrs Redboots wrote on Wed, 13 January 2010 20:42

I don't think you can get them here !

They sell them in France for cheaper than the front loader. 5 kg loads.

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Thu, 14 January 2010 15:20

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Top loaders way cheaper than front loaders in the US.

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Thu, 14 January 2010 16:00

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BlueRose wrote on Wed, 13 January 2010 15:47

b_twin_1 wrote on Thu, 14 January 2010 08:21

Black Bear wrote on Wed, 13 January 2010 09:32

Obviously, you need a top-loader on the next go-round. Smile

I've never had a front-loading washer myself--do they have plusses that would make up for this basic failing of un-open-ability in case of crisis?

1) Use less water (VERY important for our little drought-inclined-living-off-rainwater situation)

We have a top loader that uses less water by recycling slightly dirty water from the rinse cycle of a prior load for the initial wash cycle of the next load. This does require a sink or tub large enough to hold the water which is expelled from the washer and then sucked back in. I don't know if these are still made.

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Thu, 14 January 2010 21:25

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Cool (I mean using the grey water).

About the hard to reach drain plug ... would a wet-dry shop vac handle this? I've never had one and so don't have a clue.

I have a great gizmo which creates enough suction to lift liquids a couple of feet. I'm trying to member what it's called and where I got it.

I use it when the drain pipe from the bath tub freezes and I want the water to exit via the sink instead.

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