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| Black Leather Jacket [message #8244] |
Wed, 17 December 2008 19:58  |
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Black Leather Jacket
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| Re: Black Leather Jacket [message #8250 is a reply to message #8244 ] |
Wed, 17 December 2008 20:20  |
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Black Bear
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Manhattan friends were having a birthday party. In Florence. Yes. New Yorkers are like that.
Holy #@$&. My Manhattan friends all live in tiny studio apartments or decaying brownstones, and have their birthday parties at Coney Island...  I need more New Yorkers, apparently.
I like watching strong men stumble and fall over when they go to help me on with my coat.
*SNRK* I can't blame you a bit for that.
This is the man who regularly loses keys, wallet, change, jackknife^, etc, by losing track of his own pockets. When he was deciding on his jacket yesterday he hesitated over the one he finally rejected because it had more pockets. I like the pockets on this one, he said.
Oh dear, a kindred spirit. How I love pockets. And how often they cruelly betray me. I got a pair of cargo shorts this summer (long canvassy things, down past my knees, with 8 pockets plus a few niches) and every time I wore them I had to search every damn pocket to find what I was looking for at that moment in time--drove my friends bats.
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"The time is always right to do what's right."--MLK Jr.
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| Re: Black Leather Jacket [message #8253 is a reply to message #8244 ] |
Wed, 17 December 2008 20:42 |
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ChrisW
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Leather jackets are indispensable. The big problem is that the lining wears out, while the outside still looks great. I have two wonderful leather jackets that now have no pockets. I can't find anyone who can fix the lining at a reasonable price. Usually, it's cheaper to just by another jacket.
A quick question for you homeopathic folk out there. Valerian for sleeping? Do you suggest it?
I have chronic insomnia. Before you ask, I observe perfect sleep hygiene. Annoying doctors always suggest working on this first. I usually respond "I have a PhD in physiology from an Ivy League University. Do you really think I haven't tried adjusting my sleep hygiene before spending hours of my valuable time in your virus and bacteria laden waiting room." Sorry. I'm short on sleep and VERY grumpy.
I'm also a dancer and pharmaceutical sleeping pills throw off my balance. So I try not to take them unless I'm desperate (meaning I have to drive a lot and need my wits about me so no one dies tragically).
I read an interesting blurb on Valerian root at the US NIH.gov site. So I'm asking in as many places as possible about it.
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"Crazy is like prune juice. Too much is a disaster, but a little can be just what the doctor orderd."
Gordon Korman
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| Re: Black Leather Jacket [message #8257 is a reply to message #8244 ] |
Wed, 17 December 2008 21:10 |
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but Peter has another peculiarity, which is that while he’s happy to spend money on me, he gets all twitchy and nervous if you try to spend money on him.
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Jeff is the same way. You can tell he wants something, but he angsts and angsts about it until you want to shout, "Just say it already!" Heh.
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I’m still angry at some of the treatment I’ve had and some of the remarks that have been made . . . but those are stories for another time, or maybe not. Anyway.
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*Eyebrows* Yes, I can see how those assumptions would make you angry.
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I almost told him so, but I decided that being told you’re cute by a woman old enough to be your grandmother is probably not a friendly act.
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*snort* In my experience, salespeople take whatever compliments, they can get. (Then again, I never worked anywhere fancy, so maybe I don't know.
Smooshes!
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| Re: Black Leather Jacket [message #8260 is a reply to message #8244 ] |
Wed, 17 December 2008 21:40 |
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So the lack of proper boxes for expensive gifts is also true in the UK. Do you remember the days when even a blouse was swathed in tissue paper and neatly fit into a box with the store's name?
First they started asking if you wanted a gift box and shoved one still folded up into the bag with the item ... and now they seem gone forever.
I think it was Lord and Taylor where boxes were tied up with pretty striped string and little wooden handles hooked through to make carrying easy. Sigh. Haven't visited one in forty years.
Here black leather jackets seem inappropriate for one who wouldn't want to be taken for a New Yorker. I also happen to look like the undead in black.
A recent splurge was a suede like "riding jacket" in cranberry. Of course it's an indoor jacket, but it works a treat making one look a little more stylish ... and its machine washable and doesn't annoy my vegan friends.
Of course we're deep into parkas, thinsulate, and polar fleece now, with plenty of pockets for gloves, headbands or earmuffs, car keys and kleenex. 24 hours without heat has a way of focusing one's attention on the essentials.
In addition to my miner's lamp (from my days of living in the woods without electricity and skiing through said woods to my car after dark) I have come to treasure motion activated solar lights to get me safely to the car and woodshed after sundown. A miner's lamp is also great for reading in bed after "light's out" in the youth hostel.
"Winning a war is like winning an earthquake" Jeanette Rankin
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| Re: Black Leather Jacket [message #8261 is a reply to message #8244 ] |
Wed, 17 December 2008 21:53 |
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ChrisW
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Thanks to Robin and Blackbear for the Valerian suggestions.
I think I'm going to give it a try. I'm on vacation and out of training, so if I fall over while trying to pirouette, it won't matter.
I generally have low expectations of anything that makes me sleep. Sigh. California poppy? I may have to try as well. I've used almost every sleep aid prescribed and have hated every one. Behaviour modification produces mediocre results as well.
"Of course we're deep into parkas, thinsulate, and polar fleece now, with plenty of pockets for gloves, headbands or earmuffs, car keys and kleenex. 24 hours without heat has a way of focusing one's attention on the essentials."
Oh, I hope you get power and heat soon.
"Crazy is like prune juice. Too much is a disaster, but a little can be just what the doctor orderd."
Gordon Korman
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| Re: Black Leather Jacket [message #8262 is a reply to message #8244 ] |
Wed, 17 December 2008 23:14 |
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Chris W--this is not homeopathic but have you tried trazadone? It's a prescription tetracyclic that used to be used for depression until they figured it just made you sleep. I had horrible insomnia and it really helped. Also try melatonin--though I imagine you've tried that. Trazadone was the ony sleep med that did not mess with my balance--including melatonin. My 2 cents.
And yes, in fact, having him put it on was a great sales technique. I almost told him so, but I decided that being told you’re cute by a woman old enough to be your grandmother is probably not a friendly act.
Oh, I think they never get tired of us thinking they look good. The normal ones, anyway. Wait a minute--have you ever met a normal one?
For me, then, there is the question of long back coats, the ultimate trench, you know. Not in leather, that's a little bit too "Lost Boys." Maybe I watched too much Highlander, but I love a man in a long coat. It took me about 10 years to get F into one. And he does look good.
Black leather jacket was a given. I said, you want a black leather jacket? And he said sure! And that was that.
F turns all his pockets out every day to keep track of things. In this, I do not believe he is normal. But I love him anyway.
"And by the way you look fantastic in your boots of Chinese plastic."
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| Re: Black Leather Jacket [message #8268 is a reply to message #8244 ] |
Thu, 18 December 2008 00:43 |
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Diane in MN
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he gets all twitchy and nervous if you try to spend money on him.
I have a husband like this, especially when it comes to things like clothes. He also is careless about how things look and unwilling to admit that he needs to buy outerwear, although if it appears in the closet he will wear it. I find this very annoying, even after 37 years.
I love coats of all sorts. I spent an *inordinate* amount of money on a fiber-artist-made, tomato-red, suede-and-pieced-leather jacket that is entirely impractical for Minnesota, just because I loved it so much. But leather is wonderful because hair brushes off of it and the dog spit just wipes off. I was lucky enough to find a shearling with a leather rather than a suede finish; it's black, the wool is black, and it is a treasure.
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| Re: Black Leather Jacket [message #8270 is a reply to message #8244 ] |
Thu, 18 December 2008 02:20 |
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I’m still angry at some of the treatment I’ve had and some of the remarks that have been made . . . but those are stories for another time, or maybe not. Anyway.
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Urgh. It's amazing what obnoxious assumptions people will make without ever seriously considering what they're thinking, or bothering to try and figure out if they're true. Which I suppose is their business if they keep them to themselves, but not if they make snide comments (or worse) to those around them.
I had 1 leather jacket once. Unfortunately, the timing was way off; I got it either right before or right after I became a vegetarian (when I was still getting used to this whole anti-dead animals thing). I wasn't so firm on my beliefs yet that my parents couldn't push me into it, but I felt uneasy about it the whole time and ultimately gave it away to a friend. Nowadays I think I would feel better about it (I eat "happy" meat, a.k.a. meat from an animal that was treated humanely [and I will admit to eating poultry and seafood even when unhappy; I had to find a compromise that made life functional, and since as a part of my former job I ate at other people's homes so often it just didn't work otherwise]), since I know that the leather is from cows that would be slaughtered anyway, so at least it's using more of them. But I still have strong memories of that first jacket.
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| Re: Black Leather Jacket [message #8275 is a reply to message #8244 ] |
Thu, 18 December 2008 07:25 |
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Lucy Coats
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Anyone who came to the signing last month: that black leather jacket
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It is, indeed, a babe of a jacket...and now that you tell me it's 20 years old, Robin, I think it was worth every penny that Peter spent on it and more.
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Any homeopaths out there, Peter is a Sulphur
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Ah. This explains much. My son is a Sulphur too, so I know whereof you speak on the silken rags front. When he was younger, it was no problem--he just wore what I gave him and looked like a mess within 30 seconds, however tucked in and neat he started out. Now that he's 17 and still growing like a weed, we have a pact to do a minimum of 1 focussed shopping trip in September (pre-school year), to buy the stuff he really needs (ie replacing all the shirts he has leaked ink over, and the suits where the buttons are ripped off and the pockets disintegrated). He sees nothing wrong with them physically (ie he would wear them in their unpristine state), it's only that he can't force them round his pecs or do up the cuffs or waist. The fact that the trouser legs are somewhere around his calves is no problem. Sulphur men are lovely--but obviously a trial to the shopping women in their lives. I am SO TIRED of the phrase 'It's FINE, Mum' applied to the Welsh rugby shirt which has had the logo ironed on too hot (yes, he tries to iron--a small miracle, but worrying since he is dyspraxic), and is therefore smeared with plastic excrescence all over the front. Ah well. He will possibly have a wife one day to deal with the clothing issues!
Lucy xx
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| Re: Black Leather Jacket [message #8330 is a reply to message #8268 ] |
Thu, 18 December 2008 20:00 |
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| Diane in MN wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 00:43 |
he gets all twitchy and nervous if you try to spend money on him.
I have a husband like this, especially when it comes to things like clothes. He also is careless about how things look and unwilling to admit that he needs to buy outerwear, although if it appears in the closet he will wear it. I find this very annoying, even after 37 years.
I love coats of all sorts. I spent an *inordinate* amount of money on a fiber-artist-made, tomato-red, suede-and-pieced-leather jacket that is entirely impractical for Minnesota, just because I loved it so much. But leather is wonderful because hair brushes off of it and the dog spit just wipes off. :) I was lucky enough to find a shearling with a leather rather than a suede finish; it's black, the wool is black, and it is a treasure.
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I want BOTH these coats. :) There's a PINK wool coat on sale at the moment that I am PRAYING will sell out in my size before my will power packs in. . . .
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| Re: Black Leather Jacket [message #8357 is a reply to message #8244 ] |
Thu, 18 December 2008 23:35 |
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I do not have my own leather jacket (and cannot even find my wool coat with is inconvenient this time of year, even in Texas), but I do enjoy the rare occasions when I manage to con my brother into loaning me his black leather trenchcoat. There is just something about a black leather trenchcoat that makes you feel downright badass, even if you're a dumpy English major underneath....
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| Re: Black Leather Jacket [message #8385 is a reply to message #8290 ] |
Fri, 19 December 2008 11:32 |
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ChrisW
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| Susan from Athens wrote on Thu, 18 December 2008 14:14 |
Chris as a lifelong insomniac who refuses to medicate for it, I find that learning to relax plays a great deal into actually sleeping. I have pre-sleep rituals, but at times when nothing will get me to sleep, I find that pranayama breathing and surdashian kria, which are deep relaxation breathing exercises from yoga are very good and learning to give yourself reiki also helps tremendously: three years in, I have yet to make it through an entire reiki self-treatment without falling fast asleep.
My other so-called cure is to be permanently sleep deprived. But even that does not guarantee sleep 
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I meditate daily with deep breathing before bed to relax, keep impeccable sleep hygiene, but sometimes I just go through phases of just not sleeping. Like now. I have never tried reiki. I have been thinking about acupuncture as well/
The valerian put me to sleep, but I still woke up every three hours. Grrr. Onto passiflora and california poppy.
I don't like antidepressants. I'm in the subcategory of people that responds physiologically outside the average response. Some relaxing antidepressants put me into a coma while others make horribly hyperactive.
As a scientist, I also have concerns about the lack of a detailed mechanism for action, small clinical trial sample sizes, short clinical trial time period and general lack of long term data. I also think that doctors rely on anecdotal evidence too much for prescribing them. I know statistics is not emphasized too much anywhere, but after the whole thalidomide, bextra, limerix vaccine, etc. debacles, you'd think it would be.
Happy holidays all! I'm off for two weeks to my parents internet free zone. I think I may go through withdrawals.
"Crazy is like prune juice. Too much is a disaster, but a little can be just what the doctor orderd."
Gordon Korman
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| Re: Black Leather Jacket [message #8395 is a reply to message #8244 ] |
Fri, 19 December 2008 15:26 |
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One of my absolute FAVORITE things about living in Oregon? I get to wear coats! In SoCal, it almost -never- gets cold enough for anything more than a long-sleeve t-shirt. I'd talked my dad into buying me a black trench coat (London Fog) that comes down to mid-calf on me, and has a zip-in liner a few years before, when we went to NYC in the winter, but I'd been wanting a black leather jacket for ages. The problem is, that they're awfully hard to fit on me. I have really broad shoulders (guessing about 20" from shoulder to shoulder), but the only ones I found that fit me there were men's jackets, and they weren't terribly flattering. I finally stumbled across one (on a 50% off sale, no less!) that fit me perfectly, in a really soft leather with brown stitching (the leather is a rusty black... in a good way, though), and got it as a christmas present from my mother. I've had it for two years, wear it an awful lot, and it's still going strong.
Then, I was walking past a clothing store in downtown Corvallis (one that's mostly men's clothing, frequently has stuff that's -gorgeous- but that I totally shouldn't afford and probably wouldn't fit me), and they have these long wool/cashmere coats for something like 75% off (regular price being about $400... ouch!). I tried on one of them in a dark green, and again, it fit perfectly... even had a couple women nearby comment on it. I regretfully took it off and hung it back up, because even at that much of a discount, I didn't really have the money. Then I called my mom, who talked me into getting it anyway (fortunately, I'd just gotten a job, so I would have more money soon), and I'm SO glad I did. It's the sort of thing I'd probably have regretted forever if I hadn't.
Last on my list of fantastic outerwear is a coat my mom commissioned from this woman to go with my russet and green leather bodice. I have absolutely no idea what the finished coat is going to look like. I know it'll have a heavy black twill base and swirly applique in various fabrics, most of which we picked out. Beyond that, who knows! I'll be sure to share a picture whenever is shows up, though.
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| Re: Black Leather Jacket [message #8495 is a reply to message #8244 ] |
Sat, 20 December 2008 19:50 |
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I actually haven't had much luck in second-hand/thrift/whatever the proper name for 'em is shops. I poke my head in every now and again, but almost never find things that I both like and fit me flatteringly.
I end up with a lot of pants from military surplus stores. Also, I'm fortunate enough to have a boyfriend just about the same size as me, so I can steal his pants. Sometimes, though, I want stuff fitted for -girls-.
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| Re: Black Leather Jacket [message #8517 is a reply to message #8244 ] |
Sun, 21 December 2008 01:22 |
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Because I'm so tall I never had luck at thrift stores--until I discovered the men's department. There I found so many odd colored jackets and plain shirts--I started "a look" without really trying.
But now certain shops carry talls, and I'm getting too old to roll up the sleeves of a jacket way to big for me, I think. But I do miss those days.
"And by the way you look fantastic in your boots of Chinese plastic."
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