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I’m also just a tiny bit discouraged that a regular forum poster and therefore I would imagine regular blog reader had to ask what the difference between chiming and method bell ringing is. Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh.
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Well, you talk a lot about bell ringing and method ringing a lot - and I had more or less worked out what that is (and the next bit of blog pretty much says what I more or less knew). But you don't talk about *chiming* that I've ever noticed - so I didn't know what that was (or rather, why it wasn't ringing of one form or another - haven't got a method-ringing tower near me that I'm aware of in either California or France, and haven't got a strong urge to go learn (though that might be different if there were a tower), so most of what I know about bell ringing is from the blog). And Google wasn't terribly helpful (especially as it didn't occur to me that it was a term specific to method ringing, so I didn't plug that into the search term). I'm sorry. I'll try to do better next time.
(just did a search: last time the word "chime" was used on the blog in a bell-ringing context was on Sept 18, 2011, and it wasn't defined). As far as I can tell, "chiming" has not been used at all on the blog in a bell-ringing context. If it has been discussed previously in the forums, I missed it, possibly because while I stay up on the blog pretty well, I sometimes fall behind in the forums)
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Thu, 26 July 2012 21:17 |
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Congratulations on you and Peter together reaching voting age as it was when I was 21, and very glad you had a good evening out.
I confess to reading all the bell posts carefully but without perfect comprehension as to bells being up or down or clappers being here or there (and I didn't realize they went all the way 'round. In fact, I had completely misunderstood and for some reason thought they were *stored* mouths up, and had to be brought down to be used. You may now laugh hysterically and wonder if I have a brain. I won't argue with either conclusion.)
I'm off to a convention tomorrow and will miss Friday's and Saturday's blog entries. I'm also moderating a group of people I don't know, on a panel I didn't design or choose, and already two people want to hijack it to be something else. I will bet you they can't say anything new about social media. And I asked for a reading space, so I must bring something to read, and (never mind. Something will turn up.)
I'm hoping to get some knitting done, swing by one of the LYSs to get a ball winder (dammit. But it's faster than winding by hand and I'm severely short of time and not everything can be purchased already in balls), make another stab at finding a bike to ride out on the place (something with panniers to carry the heavy stuff I usually need to carry), and find a place to buy a new pair of jeans for work in the field (tough, not stylish. The reason for that walked in a few minutes ago--he'd tripped and fallen into a barbed-wire fence and his denim shirt took the bullet--er, barbs--for him. Denim's hot, but the only thing that saves skin other than leather, which is hotter.)
And it was near 100F today, was 95F at 7 pm, dry, and (in the daytime) has a nice hot dry wind blowing.
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Thu, 26 July 2012 21:18 |
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So pleased at the success of the anniversary dinner entertainments. Also impressed. I can do the occasional crossword, if it's not one of those full of pop culture referents that I have never heard of. But I don't think I've ever succeeded with an acrostic. Congratulations to you and Peter (also on the 21 years, of course).
And why not have your knitting handy? Obviously it was the right thing to do, since the occasion arose where you needed it.
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Fri, 27 July 2012 02:02 |
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 Diane in MN
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Many many congratulations! And I am 100% certain that my husband and I are instantly recognizable as Old Married People, because there is usually very little conversation at our table unless we happen to be with friends. I've never brought either knitting or a crossword, though. 
I am less and less willing to spend that much money and time on a less than fabulous meal when we’d do it better at home, it would be organic at home, and I could read/work on story in progress/write a blog entry/cruise Ravelry’s new patterns^ over dinner. I should say something here about How Terrible It Is to Get Old and Boring, but that’s not how it feels from the inside. It feels from the inside like discarding the non-crucial as the future gets shorter.
I absolutely agree. And since I don't have time to get bored, this doesn't seem boring to me at all.
there are very very few dessert wines that will actually hold their own against chocolate with attitude
Cabernet, however, is lovely with chocolate. And probably good for your liver. 
"The point of books is to have way too many but to always feel you never have enough . . . " Louise Erdrich
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Fri, 27 July 2012 05:43 |
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Catherine
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Congratulations!
Whereupon I asked if I could have the page out of Peter’s (new) TLS because my idea of souvenirs of important occasions is peculiar.
This made me smile. I keep seemingly random stuff like that, too. I call them 'tangible memories' because that's exactly what they are, and often it's the physical object that allows me to recall the memory (I have a good memory, I have a terrible retrieval system for it).
Of course I had brought my knitting to the fancy restaurant for dinner with my husband on our twenty-first anniversary.
Of course. At this point I'd be surprised if you hadn't. At the moment I'm still resisting letting my newly re-emerging knitting habit becoming mobile but... it's only a matter of time.
But I am less and less willing to spend that much money and time on a less than fabulous meal when we’d do it better at home, it would be organic at home, and I could read/work on story in progress/write a blog entry/cruise Ravelry’s new patterns^ over dinner. I should say something here about How Terrible It Is to Get Old and Boring, but that’s not how it feels from the inside. It feels from the inside like discarding the non-crucial as the future gets shorter.
I get this. I eat out either from necessity (too far from home and I'm not carrying food, but I am probably on my own and can read/write/iPhone) or for social reasons, in which case the point is the friend I'm seeing. Eating out with Chloe is usually a combination of the two. But that's just an example. I know there are people who think my life is boring, but to me it's full of things I enjoy. I don't have time for the flapping about some other people do. Years ago my family used to say I was fourteen going on forty. I dread to think what age they'd say I was going on now.
About the ringing vs chiming, method ringing I'd worked out partly through the blog and partly through research because the blog made it catch my interest (and my interest is gaining momentum on an almost daily basis, as is my awe of those who do it). That chiming was not ringing was the easy part, but I'm pleased I now know the specific mechanics of the difference (the concept I had of chiming was shockingly bad).
Cath
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Fri, 27 July 2012 15:00 |
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Happy Anniversary Robin and Peter! May you have many more such evenings together.
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^ A recent addition to the list of ways I soak up hours so I don’t have time to have a life.
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All I can say is you have a life. It's one filled with string and fur and friends. You have hobbies and interests and work. How is that not a life? You may not be the most socialest of social butterflies in person, but you do really well long distance via electrons.
-Victoria
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Sat, 28 July 2012 06:39 |
CathyR
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| Catherine wrote on Sat, 28 July 2012 10:25 |
| CathyR wrote on Sat, 28 July 2012 07:37 |
Don't be in awe of us! Join us!!!
*cackles evilly at the thought of another vic... er, recruit *
Just ask AJLR, B-twin, Audrey, or Southdowner about how pervasive Robin's influence is.
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I've already tipped head first back into knitting with a vengeance. It's only a matter of time. Nudge me, at this point I'll tip over easily. (maybe when I take Chloe for a walk today we'll go learn where that church with the bells is. Because I don't think they'll let me learn at St George's Chapel in Windsor Castle!)
So, how pervasive? Bearing in mind there's about fifteen years of preconditioned inclination to listen in my head.
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Well, there are those who have taken up ringing, thanks to Robin. And those like you, who she's got into knitting. And I found Robin's blog through bellringing but then got into her writing in a big way. So .... pretty pervasive!
Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly.
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Sat, 28 July 2012 12:04 |
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| CathyR wrote on Sat, 28 July 2012 07:37 |
| Catherine wrote on Fri, 27 July 2012 10:43 |
About the ringing vs chiming, method ringing I'd worked out partly through the blog and partly through research because the blog made it catch my interest (and my interest is gaining momentum on an almost daily basis, as is my awe of those who do it).
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Don't be in awe of us! Join us!!!
*cackles evilly at the thought of another vic... er, recruit *
Just ask AJLR, B-twin, Audrey, or Southdowner about how pervasive Robin's influence is.
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As possibly the newest of those new recruits (and a good 6, mabye 7 hours into ringing)' all I can say is that the more you know, the more your responses will be along the lines of 'So. Not. Worthy.' And 'Will I ever get there?'
But yeah, if you have access, it's pretty darn cool.
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Sat, 28 July 2012 14:55 |
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Catherine
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You guys really are determined enablers, aren't you?
The knitting, I knit somewhat intensively for six years, then was forced to stop under doctor's orders when I was diagnosed with carpal tunnel. I've got it well managed now, so clearly all it took was exposure to knitty people to re-awaken that beastie and remind me how much I loved it. Two weeks back and I'm nearly halfway through my second ease-back-in project.
I did find the church... And I'm prepared for the so cool/not worthy feeling, we've met before. The entire ringing thing appeals because I love the idea of being part of a tradition and keeping it alive, I like connecting with history. And England is my home, even though I wasn't born here, I want to say thank you to the culture. I belong to the National Trust for similar reasons (also, they're cool, too).
Knickers. I'm doing this, aren't I?
Cath
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Sat, 28 July 2012 16:13 |
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Catherine
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Okay, I emailed the learn to ring people, so we'll see what happens! I suspect this is going to be a bit like colour guard from high school, it was hard, especially my first year, and I moaned a lot about how much it sucked but I would never have considered giving it up. Because, beyond all that, it was awesome. I'm just glad I've found it through a group of lovely, supportive people because I get the impression everyone has days when they need that.
Cath
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Sat, 28 July 2012 17:59 |
CathyR
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| Catherine wrote on Sat, 28 July 2012 21:13 |
Okay, I emailed the learn to ring people, so we'll see what happens! I suspect this is going to be a bit like colour guard from high school, it was hard, especially my first year, and I moaned a lot about how much it sucked but I would never have considered giving it up. Because, beyond all that, it was awesome. I'm just glad I've found it through a group of lovely, supportive people because I get the impression everyone has days when they need that.
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Good for you!
Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly.
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Sat, 28 July 2012 18:13 |
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| Catherine wrote on Sat, 28 July 2012 16:13 |
Okay, I emailed the learn to ring people, so we'll see what happens! I suspect this is going to be a bit like colour guard from high school, it was hard, especially my first year, and I moaned a lot about how much it sucked but I would never have considered giving it up. Because, beyond all that, it was awesome. I'm just glad I've found it through a group of lovely, supportive people because I get the impression everyone has days when they need that.
Cath
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Have fun!
I've got a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel ~ Blackadder
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Sat, 28 July 2012 23:35 |
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Diane in MN
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| Catherine wrote on Sat, 28 July 2012 13:55 |
You guys really are determined enablers, aren't you?
The knitting, I knit somewhat intensively for six years, then was forced to stop under doctor's orders when I was diagnosed with carpal tunnel. I've got it well managed now, so clearly all it took was exposure to knitty people to re-awaken that beastie and remind me how much I loved it. Two weeks back and I'm nearly halfway through my second ease-back-in project.
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This forum is a training school for enablers.
I stopped knitting ten years after I started because of wrist tendinitis. When I started knitting in earnest again last year*, I also started wearing adjustable elastic wrist supports, and that has really prevented any problems from recurring. I've noticed that a number of stores sell "crafter's gloves", which are essentially the same thing, but the ones I've tried tend to be too tight.
*About ten years ago I took a refresher class because I was expecting a litter of puppies and thought I'd have time to knit while watching them. HAH. And Southdowner and B_twin_1 can pick themselves up off the floor now.
"The point of books is to have way too many but to always feel you never have enough . . . " Louise Erdrich
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| Re: We Are Twenty-One Today [message #51027 is a reply to message #51025 ] |
Sun, 29 July 2012 04:15 |
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Catherine
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| Diane in MN wrote on Sun, 29 July 2012 04:35 |
This forum is a training school for enablers.
I stopped knitting ten years after I started because of wrist tendinitis. When I started knitting in earnest again last year*, I also started wearing adjustable elastic wrist supports, and that has really prevented any problems from recurring. I've noticed that a number of stores sell "crafter's gloves", which are essentially the same thing, but the ones I've tried tend to be too tight.
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Yes, I'd noticed, but I'm not sure how much training all of you actually need!
I've got about half a dozen braces of varying degrees of support but I try not to use them as much as possible (different, better doctor's recommendation) because the muscles in my left hand have enough problems with wastage already. The difference in the strength of grip between my hands is noticeable. I'm just glad I'm right handed! What's working at the moment is knitting in bursts combined with hand stretches, if it starts to hurt I stop and do something else for a bit. But I'm so glad I started again!
Cath
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Sun, 29 July 2012 07:35 |
CathyR
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| Catherine wrote on Sun, 29 July 2012 09:15 |
I've got about half a dozen braces of varying degrees of support but I try not to use them as much as possible (different, better doctor's recommendation) because the muscles in my left hand have enough problems with wastage already. The difference in the strength of grip between my hands is noticeable. I'm just glad I'm right handed! What's working at the moment is knitting in bursts combined with hand stretches, if it starts to hurt I stop and do something else for a bit. But I'm so glad I started again!
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You may well find that this makes a difference to your ringing. You won't be able to wear a brace while ringing (I wouldn't have thought), and you may have to pace yourself in the same way. A good instructor will take your lack of hand strength and grip into account. Having said that, perhaps ringing will actually help to increase the strength in your left hand.
Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly.
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Sun, 29 July 2012 09:06 |
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| CathyR wrote on Sun, 29 July 2012 12:35 |
You may well find that this makes a difference to your ringing. You won't be able to wear a brace while ringing (I wouldn't have thought), and you may have to pace yourself in the same way. A good instructor will take your lack of hand strength and grip into account. Having said that, perhaps ringing will actually help to increase the strength in your left hand.
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I don't much like wearing my braces anyway, so my first instinct is to do without unless it's epically bad. It usually requires long typing sessions or making it bear more weight than it likes for that to happen. Ringing will probably be a good 'physical therapy' for it, from what I can tell it'll work it in ways nothing else will but doesn't involve particularly aggravating movements. My hand may be weak, but my arm is strong(ish). It's been over four years so I know my limits and where I can adjust to compensate. But, of course, we'll just have to wait and see what happens when I get on the end of a rope!
Cath
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Sun, 29 July 2012 12:53 |
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| Catherine wrote on Sun, 29 July 2012 14:06 |
| CathyR wrote on Sun, 29 July 2012 12:35 |
You may well find that this makes a difference to your ringing. You won't be able to wear a brace while ringing (I wouldn't have thought), and you may have to pace yourself in the same way. A good instructor will take your lack of hand strength and grip into account. Having said that, perhaps ringing will actually help to increase the strength in your left hand.
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I don't much like wearing my braces anyway, so my first instinct is to do without unless it's epically bad. It usually requires long typing sessions or making it bear more weight than it likes for that to happen. Ringing will probably be a good 'physical therapy' for it, from what I can tell it'll work it in ways nothing else will but doesn't involve particularly aggravating movements. My hand may be weak, but my arm is strong(ish). It's been over four years so I know my limits and where I can adjust to compensate. But, of course, we'll just have to wait and see what happens when I get on the end of a rope!
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Ringing is much more about finesse than strength anyway, and you won't be ringing up (getting the bell into its starting position) more than once a night anyway. That and ringing down seem to require the most strength. My teacher likes reminding me that a bell can be rung with one finger on backstroke and one finger plus thumb on handstroke.
I love the idea of ringing as therapy. Now (speaking of the enablers in this forum), I need to grate some chocolate for the caponata for tonight's dinner.
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Sun, 29 July 2012 17:28 |
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| LadyGrace wrote on Sun, 29 July 2012 21:57 |
Just out of curiosity, is ringing even a thing it is possible to do if one doesn't live in England? (This is curiosity, mind you—if there are bells to ring in the States none of them are near my tiny town, and I have abandoned enough instrument lessons already in my life and besides I have enough to do with the choir.) I just had no idea ringing (aside from handbells) was even a THING until I started reading this blog, so I am curious whether it is a thing only for the British... or did they take it with them when they did all that colonizing?
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You can indeed ring in the British way (ie full circle, or change ringing) in the former colonies - Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the USA.
Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly.
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Tue, 31 July 2012 00:58 |
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Just out of curiosity, is ringing even a thing it is possible to do if one doesn't live in England? (This is curiosity, mind you—if there are bells to ring in the States none of them are near my tiny town, and I have abandoned enough instrument lessons already in my life and besides I have enough to do with the choir.) I just had no idea ringing (aside from handbells) was even a THING until I started reading this blog, so I am curious whether it is a thing only for the British... or did they take it with them when they did all that colonizing?
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My bell-ringing, handbell-ringing, violin-playing friend who I'm trying to rope into following the blog is currently ringing in Hawaii, and started (or at least, rang before - I don't know where she learned) in Virginia. Yes, it's possible.
jjm
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