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Raggsokker, a tutorial – guest post by Corellia

Raggsokker, an illustrated tutorial with a pattern for knitting socks the traditional Norwegian way.


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Re: Raggsokker, a tutorial – guest post by Corellia [message #50851 is a reply to message #50849 ] Sat, 21 July 2012 09:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Apologies for how long it took to get the thread posted. Communications failure.

. . . I always knew socks were scary. Smile
Re: Raggsokker, a tutorial – guest post by Corellia [message #50861 is a reply to message #50851 ] Sat, 21 July 2012 19:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No, socks are not scary. After a while it goes pretty much automatically. Once, I was knitting a sock and reading a quite exciting book, I looked down on my knitting, and found that I had turned the heel without being aware of it. It was a very nice heel too Razz
Re: Raggsokker, a tutorial – guest post by Corellia [message #50868 is a reply to message #50861 ] Sat, 21 July 2012 23:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Corellia wrote on Sat, 21 July 2012 18:42

No, socks are not scary. After a while it goes pretty much automatically. Once, I was knitting a sock and reading a quite exciting book, I looked down on my knitting, and found that I had turned the heel without being aware of it. It was a very nice heel too Razz


But I'll bet you didn't do that on your second pair of socks! Smile

The sock class I took used Magic Loop for toe-up socks. I didn't really like the two-at-a-time part, but I liked the toe-up part a lot. (NO SEAMS!) Also liked not having to use DP needles, which tend to stab me from all directions when I use them. But I suppose if I'd learned to knit with double-points, they wouldn't bother me at all.



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Re: Raggsokker, a tutorial – guest post by Corellia [message #50870 is a reply to message #50849 ] Sun, 22 July 2012 00:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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@Diane in MN- I learned to knit socks on DPNs. I switched to Magic Loop (one sock at a time) as soon as I had money to buy a lot of circular needles. I also always had the trouble of getting bigger stitches when switching needles; Magic Loop takes care of that problem. And yes, DPNs kept stabbing me.

I also knit ALL my socks toe up. I am terrible at kitchener stitch and I have an excellent stretchy cast-off, whereas I don't know a terribly good stretchy cast-on. And I'm pretty much incapable of not tinkering with a pattern in some form or fashion.
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I'm not knitting socks yet and to me it's just boggling how many ways there are to knit a sock. The other day I saw a book on various sock patterns (nearly bought it) and it was pretty amazing.
Thanks for the interesting post, Corellia. Smile Not sure if I'm ready for DPNs yet - I'm with Annagail, I think I'd be stabbed to death. Wink


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Re: Raggsokker, a tutorial – guest post by Corellia [message #50877 is a reply to message #50849 ] Sun, 22 July 2012 18:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This is the way I learned how to knit socks, too (though I was crazy and jumped right in with the Jaywalker sock and only a few swatches of knitting, purling, and cable practice as far as knitting experience went). I loved the heel flap (I think they're the most comfortable heels!), but figuring out "the gap" mentioned in the pattern freaked me out. I remember IMing a friend in the middle of the night, asking for an explanation. What gap? Should there be a gap??

Your socks look very cozy! Thanks for the pattern!


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Re: Raggsokker, a tutorial – guest post by Corellia [message #50889 is a reply to message #50851 ] Sun, 22 July 2012 20:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Robin wrote on Sat, 21 July 2012 06:18


. . . I always knew socks were scary. Smile


Socks are not scary at all. Smile

I just attended a workshop with Cat Bordhi - it was ostensibly about her Sweet Tomato Heel, but it was really about Knitting Socks That Fit More Often Than Not, Plus Random Knitting Tips. Pretty fun.

I prefer cuff-down socks more or less in the style of this guestblog, but I also like trying different ways of knitting socks. The heel turn is probably my favorite part (when it works properly) - it's so cool going back and forth and suddenly, you've turned a corner! Toe up socks (with a heel flap and gusset) have a different kind of cool moment - how did that work out, and how come I have to pick up stitches for top-down socks? sort of thing.

And DPNs needn't stab you. Though I did just get a set of shorter than my usual needles, and they are a little stabby, cos they turn out to be too small for my hands...

I picked up a copy of Cat's New Pathways For Sock Knitters - which mostly seems to involve all kinds of strange ways of putting socks together. I shall have to spend some time with my stash of sock yarn and needles and this book in a couple of months...
Re: Raggsokker, a tutorial – guest post by Corellia [message #50906 is a reply to message #50889 ] Sun, 22 July 2012 23:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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equus_peduus wrote on Sun, 22 July 2012 19:26


I just attended a workshop with Cat Bordhi


COOL!

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And DPNs needn't stab you. Though I did just get a set of shorter than my usual needles, and they are a little stabby, cos they turn out to be too small for my hands...


Hand size as related to DPN size seems very significant. I use DPNs for the tops of hats and gave a friend the 7-inch ones I bought, which attacked me from all possible directions, after I tried 5-inch ones. I don't have big hands, and the 5-inch ones are lots more manageable for me, especially when there are only three or four stitches on each one.

I have plans for Second Pair of Socks come this fall, after I finish making summer sweaters. We'll see what I remember from last October . . .



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Annagail wrote on Sat, 21 July 2012 23:15

@Diane in MN- I learned to knit socks on DPNs. I switched to Magic Loop (one sock at a time) as soon as I had money to buy a lot of circular needles. I also always had the trouble of getting bigger stitches when switching needles; Magic Loop takes care of that problem. And yes, DPNs kept stabbing me.

I also knit ALL my socks toe up. I am terrible at kitchener stitch and I have an excellent stretchy cast-off, whereas I don't know a terribly good stretchy cast-on. And I'm pretty much incapable of not tinkering with a pattern in some form or fashion.


I don't want to think about kitchener stitch, and thanks to toe-up socks and Judy's Magic Cast-On, probably will never need to. Yay!! Smile



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Re: Raggsokker, a tutorial – guest post by Corellia [message #50910 is a reply to message #50907 ] Mon, 23 July 2012 02:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Diane in MN wrote on Sun, 22 July 2012 20:40

I don't want to think about kitchener stitch, and thanks to toe-up socks and Judy's Magic Cast-On, probably will never need to. Yay!! Smile

Disclaimer: I kind of like Kitchener Stitch, except for the bit where I can never figure out where my yarn needles are. I don't actually like doing it the TechKnitter way, though I grant you that it eliminates the yarn needle problem.

http://techknitting.blogspot.com/2007/05/easier-way-to-kitch ener-stitch-also.html

Have yet to actually finish a Sock Chimney toe, but it doesn't appear difficult (but leads to more ends to weave in at the end) - current socks will be sock chimneyed, but see above for yarn needle problem.

http://www.knittingdaily.com/blogs/needles/pages/tutorial-to e-chimneys.aspx

Alternately, you could just do a star toe or whatever they're called - decrease evenly around, then pull yarn end through when few enough stitches - like finishing off a hat. I've got a pair like that, and kind of like it. Only reason I haven't done it on more socks is because I like following the directions the first time I follow a pattern... and almost never do a pattern a second time so don't make changes since I don't do it again.

But if toe-up socks make you happy, then go for it Smile

(one really cool thing Cat showed us with toe-up socks... take a standard toe-up sock, knit part of the foot... and put it on any old way - you do NOT have to have the increase bits on the side of the foot! so if you're using a varigated yarn, and like the way the "side" of the sock is coming out better than the "top" of the sock - then MAKE the side be the top. If that made sense to anybody...)
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I knit flat things. I have sock yarn and assorted needles and many books, and I frequently think about bringing these things together...not yet, though.

When I do, I think I'll do toe-up. It makes sense to me. But I need to find a sock I'll want to wear when it's done to start with - EMoon's asymmetrical toe appeals considerably, but I don't know how to do it, precisely, and the beginning of my first sock is probably not the place to try to figure it out.


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Thanks for the sock pattern, Corellia! I'm going to have to try your toe-shaping. I usually do a wedge-shaped toe, but I'm pretty intrigued by yours.

Just to clarify, when you start your sock you divide your stitches evenly between four needles, right? (In the US, some DPN sets annoyingly come with only 4 DPNs instead of 5, so occasionally we have to divide stitches on three needles instead of four. Shouldn't be a problem at all as long as people remember to knit the heel flap across half the stitches.)


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Ahh, I have the New Pathways book, too. I've only tried a couple of socks with it, but I liked them! Her way of sock-making is definitely DIFFERENT!


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Re: Raggsokker, a tutorial – guest post by Corellia [message #50919 is a reply to message #50849 ] Mon, 23 July 2012 11:37 Go to previous message
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Well ...

see photo below. I tried to post it directly from Flickr into here, but it didn't work. And then my whole post vanished. sigh.

Actually Corellia's post was not the last push that precipitated this action. I had already dispatched a minion (voluntary -- one of my wonderful friends who are being my legs and wheels while my broken ankle is s-l-o-w-l-y healing) to Hobby Lobby to get me the DPNs before I read it. But her post may have actually gotten the yarn onto the needles.

No, it was reading EMoon for the last several months about the wonderfulness of her socks that finally made me do it. And her success with ordinary worsted and needles big enough to hold on to, rather than the teeny tiny toothpicks and thread (so-called "sock yarn") I see people at my craft group using. Mine will be even bulkier socks than hers, because I asked Mary to get me 6s rather than 5s. But I am a VERY unpracticed knitter, and I figure the fewer stitches, the more likely I am to actually finish these.

I don't find the neeedles "stabby." But they are consarnedly in the way, especially when I am trying to work the last stitch or two off of a needle: the next needle keeps bumping into me and being a nuisance. I hope I will learn to deal with this and also get faster. These few rows are my entire first evening's output. I painstaking do each stitch like a toddler writing her new-learned letters, drawing each one as a work of individual art.

It's a good thing the needles aren't as dangerous as they look. I have lost the free one three times already in the bed. Fortunately no harm has come to me or needles.

I found one thing unclear in the tutorial, and in other directions I have read. Just giving the stitch counts to work in the turning of the heel is very mysterious. I "got it" when
I read YarnHarlot's Knitting Rules and when I watched the KnittingHelp.com video -- after the short-row set-up, work to one stitch before the gap, work two together ACROSS the gap, work one more, and turn.

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