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Re: First Pages [message #48095 is a reply to message #48094 ] Thu, 02 February 2012 22:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think the process you're working through is incredibly impressive. I started to like writing sometime in high school and everything I wrote was dreadful (fifteen is a difficult age). I took a Creative Writing minor in college (and got decent enough not to be embarrassing), and it showed me so much about both Story and the Process of making it.

I learned a lot about the elements of Story and what constitutes good ones and bad ones and how to tell the difference in genres you may or may not like. More importantly, I learned how hard it is to make a story. I'm not one of those "it fell on me from the sky" writers, which is why I'm not trying now to be a novelist--I don't think I have the Story Council's ear (or that they have mine, whichever it is). But I did learn to take something in the range of horrible/okay and shove it around into okay/pretty okay, even if I didn't think it was anything I'd want to read. It's HARD. I'd never realized before how much work it was, even for those gifted people in my classes who did "hear" their stories right off. Drafts and voice and tweaking and word choice and why is that character there again?

Anyway. My virtual (knitted) hat off to you, Robin.
Re: First Pages [message #48096 is a reply to message #48094 ] Thu, 02 February 2012 23:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's downright scary sometimes how much your process is like my process...the whole thing about each character's voice, each book's voice, each book's vocabulary, so sometimes I can't hear the word I need--none of the first/second/third choice words works in that sentence and I can spend hours digging through dictionaries hoping to find the one right one. The stuff I have to write down (revolving door, uniform, etc.) that has to come out later because who cares, it doesn't matter (only some of the details DO matter and I don't know which ones until the book's done or nearly done.

Spent the day fighting a chapter that my agent found "flat" and trying to figure out why, and what to do about it. It's maybe mostly fixed. Maybe.

However, for a moment of levity for any of the knitters about...I was making progress (I thought) on the sock cuff. Took a break to knit and watch TV. Turns out, you can lose track of the number of needles in the project and end up with only two. Bound together at each end. Not sure how I'm going to fix this.... Pictures at http://e-moon60.livejournal.com/
That last stitch was really, really hard to do and I couldn't figure out why.

It reminds me of the time my mother was trying to teach me to make slacks. I made it through cutting out the pieces, but when I sewed the first long seam, I managed to sew half of one leg to itself, producing a sort of soda-straw not even a model could get a leg through. My mother looked at it with an expression of fascinated horror: "I have never seen anyone do that. I didn't know anyone COULD do that! How could you not NOTICE?" (Yet more proof her daughter had not inherited the engineering gene.)


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Re: First Pages [message #48097 is a reply to message #48096 ] Fri, 03 February 2012 00:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ah, socks. The sock class I took used Magic Loop, which I like better than DPNs, but I found it all too easy to pull the stitches off the needle when turning the work until I figured out that point protectors were my friends in the whole enterprise. And that working on those socks in my nice comfortable chair after dinner was a very bad idea.

And as for your slacks--that's SEWING. ANYONE could do that, if you ask me. Smile



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Re: First Pages [message #48098 is a reply to message #48096 ] Fri, 03 February 2012 00:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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EMoon, I have to laugh at your slacks! We have a phrase "fatally twisted" in our family that I believe arose as someone (me?) was getting into pajamas and got both feet into the same leg. Somehow those slacks brought the phrase to mind.

Can you (carefully!) slide all the stitches off the two needles and then reinsert three needles into the requisite number of stitches each?
Re: First Pages [message #48099 is a reply to message #48096 ] Fri, 03 February 2012 01:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've done something similar with socks, though with slightly less awkward results, since I pretty much always use a set of five DPNs... One of your needles probably has twice as many stitches as it's supposed to. Either slip half the stitches back to your third needle (slip them purlwise...), or if you're in the right place to do it, just knit half the stitches onto the third needle, then move on to the next needle (I think this is easier if you start with four and end up on three, than starting on three and ending up on two, since it would happen on the next round around). Of course, this requires remembering that this is what you're doing prior to getting to the end of the needle you were trying to get some of the stitches off of... not like I've had that experience either... >.> It is looking cuffy though Smile
Re: First Pages [message #48100 is a reply to message #48094 ] Fri, 03 February 2012 01:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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[ . . . ]no book’s voice is like any other book’s voice. The bright sharp individual edge of a first person narration is a lot of fun, as is trying, an especially taxing exercise in these alt-mod stories, to ride the frelling slang till it settles down enough I start understanding it

This must have been a particularly interesting process with Sunshine, whose slang really stands out for me in this context. I like it a lot and have wondered where it came from . . . Smile

I suppose one plus for a series writer is that each book's voice is going to be substantially the same; the problem then becomes keeping it from getting stale.



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Re: First Pages [message #48101 is a reply to message #48100 ] Fri, 03 February 2012 01:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Diane in MN wrote on Fri, 03 February 2012 01:36

[ . . . ]no book’s voice is like any other book’s voice. The bright sharp individual edge of a first person narration is a lot of fun, as is trying, an especially taxing exercise in these alt-mod stories, to ride the frelling slang till it settles down enough I start understanding it

This must have been a particularly interesting process with Sunshine, whose slang really stands out for me in this context. I like it a lot and have wondered where it came from . . . Smile

I suppose one plus for a series writer is that each book's voice is going to be substantially the same; the problem then becomes keeping it from getting stale.


I was talking with a friend tonight about a series we both enjoy which has lasted over a number of decades, and how besides having it not become stale, it also needs to be the same general story (because it's more in the Robert Jordan type of series with one long story line leading towards a specific climax than, say, Discworld, with lots of stories all in the same world but not necessarily all related). We're not sure it's still the same story anymore. It's still a good story, but... different now.


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Re: First Pages [message #48104 is a reply to message #48094 ] Fri, 03 February 2012 02:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Absolutely fascinating to read more about your writing process. Smile

Here's hoping that days two to twenty-nine all go smoothly and productively.


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Re: First Pages [message #48107 is a reply to message #48094 ] Fri, 03 February 2012 04:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That's good news, about things sorting themselves out, now, in the third draft. I hope it's a wonderfully smooth process for the rest of the month.

I also wondered what the reaction of the hellhounds had been to the new Amazingly Loud Voice? Razz


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Re: First Pages [message #48108 is a reply to message #48094 ] Fri, 03 February 2012 05:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Don't remind editor and agent that February has an extra day this year and you might get some of March.

Also, MOT - I think I remember that your's is due sometime this month, It's the sort of thing that might slip your mind when you're so busy.
Re: First Pages [message #48109 is a reply to message #48094 ] Fri, 03 February 2012 06:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In a word... (from Futility Closet).

And, all the stitches on two needles is my preferred form of long term storage, since it lays flat so nicely. (And then you only have to find four point protectors, which is often all I can scrape up... Where do they all go??)
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EMoon wrote on Thu, 02 February 2012 23:54



However, for a moment of levity for any of the knitters about...I was making progress (I thought) on the sock cuff. Took a break to knit and watch TV. Turns out, you can lose track of the number of needles in the project and end up with only two. Bound together at each end. Not sure how I'm going to fix this.... Pictures at http://e-moon60.livejournal.com/
That last stitch was really, really hard to do and I couldn't figure out why.




Oy! Yeah, knitting in the round on two DPNs is really, really hard. Ask me how I know. Very Happy

Here's the fix: take one of the empty DPNs and, starting with the next stitch you were going to work, gently slide stitches from the overfull needle to the empty needle. Don't twist them or anything. Just slip them from one needle to the other, tip to tip. (This is "slipping a stitch purlwise," if anyone cares.) Keep slipping stitches until you have the correct number of stitches on that needle. Then repeat the process with the second empty DPN, starting right where you left off. Using this method of slipping stitches, you can pretty much play infinitely with moving stitches around between your needles, until you're happy with where the stitches are. Just remember to make sure that the last stitch with your working yarn attached to it is at the end of one of the needles.


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Re: First Pages [message #48112 is a reply to message #48094 ] Fri, 03 February 2012 12:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I’ve got several pieces of important slang imperfectly heard for two drafts nailed at last.


Hooray- I love how your worlds are built and the slang that helps build them. I admit, it took me until my third reading of Sunshine to realize (through the words people used to swear) that Christianity didn't exist in that world- or at least never became popular.
Re: First Pages [message #48113 is a reply to message #48094 ] Fri, 03 February 2012 19:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm curious about the three drafts in a row. Knowing that the second draft was just delivered and immediately starting on the third, where does the editor come in? I sort of assumed that the second draft went to the editor to review and then once there is input from the editor you worked the next draft.

Re: First Pages [message #48115 is a reply to message #48109 ] Fri, 03 February 2012 21:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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gamma wrote on Fri, 03 February 2012 03:50

In a word... (from Futility Closet).

And, all the stitches on two needles is my preferred form of long term storage, since it lays flat so nicely. (And then you only have to find four point protectors, which is often all I can scrape up... Where do they all go??)

Charrette? The OED does not agree, is this a web site for newly proposed meanings?
Re: First Pages [message #48124 is a reply to message #48115 ] Sat, 04 February 2012 09:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Aaron wrote on Fri, 03 February 2012 21:33

Charrette? The OED does not agree, is this a web site for newly proposed meanings?

It may not be in the OED, but the rest of the world seems to use it.

[Updated on: Sun, 05 February 2012 10:41]

Re: First Pages [message #48126 is a reply to message #48124 ] Sat, 04 February 2012 09:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A variation on that meaning *is* in the online version of the OED, with citations for its use going back to 1959.


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Re: First Pages [message #48127 is a reply to message #48094 ] Sat, 04 February 2012 10:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I want a new car less and less as I hear friends with shiny new cars talking about the way the computers in new cars run their lives. And go wrong, of course.

Tell me about it!! Living thru just this scenario at present. Intermittent problems with accelerator, and dashboard warning light. Fortunately, good local garage is only charging me for the fuel filter they ordered and fitted (to no avail). Despite having the car for four days, and running loads of diagnostics, they are not charging me for any of their labour time, because they didn't fix the problem.

But, that leaves me with a still-dodgy car ... Computers have a lot to answer for, whether on the desk top or under the bonnet ...


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Re: First Pages [message #48128 is a reply to message #48126 ] Sat, 04 February 2012 12:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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blondviolinist wrote on Sat, 04 February 2012 06:24

A variation on that meaning *is* in the online version of the OED, with citations for its use going back to 1959.

Sorry. My edition was published the thirties, hence the question. I am just barely old enough to regard something from 1959 as newfangled. Do they give a derivation?
Re: First Pages [message #48129 is a reply to message #48128 ] Sat, 04 February 2012 14:59 Go to previous message
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Yes. A charette was originally some kind of horse-drawn thingymajig. OED thinks the modern usage may come from French architecture students using charettes to convey their architecture projects around the city for display purposes, hence the eventual usage of "charette" for some kind of group creative effort, especially in regards to city planning or building. The use of "charette" for an individual creative effort seems to be more recent than the 2007 update of the OED I was looking at.


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