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OK, on ultrasonic cleaners... they are not recommended for some tourmalines. Alas. I would suggest just soaking them in water with a few drops of mild dish soap added, and then brushing with your little brush. Use room temperature water; tourmalines don't like sudden changes of temperature and if you get too carried away with hot water and so on they could possibly crack.

It kind of depends on the stones; maybe ask the person who procured them for you, because maybe yours are special and can take things that ordinary tourmalines would fall to pieces over. The jeweler who set them might have some brilliant ideas too.


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“We don’t serve your kind here,” said the bartender.
A neutrino walks into a bar.†† 



And, um, on the subject of bad physics jokes...

Heisenberg and Schrodinger are driving down the highway when they are pulled over by a police officer.
"Do you have any idea how fast you're going?" the officer demands.
"No," says Heisenberg, "but I know exactly where I am."
"I'm going to need to take a look in your car," says the officer and goes around to the back of the car.
"Did you know that you have a dead cat in your trunk?" the officer exclaims.
"Well NOW I do," says Schrodinger.
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With regard to snowy owls, we've been pretty excited by them of late hereabouts, as usually it's the barred and great horned we hear the most from.

[url=http://www.dailywing.net/2011/12/13/snowy-owl-update-no-3/]

I hear there at least three hanging out at Logan Airport in Boston too.


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My mother always wore her rings when hand washing sweaters. She said that the Woolite (remember Woolite - I'm dating myself) cleaned them nicely.


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Jabenami wrote on Sun, 08 January 2012 19:16



Heisenberg and Schrodinger are driving down the highway when they are pulled over by a police officer.
"Do you have any idea how fast you're going?" the officer demands.
"No," says Heisenberg, "but I know exactly where I am."
"I'm going to need to take a look in your car," says the officer and goes around to the back of the car.
"Did you know that you have a dead cat in your trunk?" the officer exclaims.
"Well NOW I do," says Schrodinger.


Oh, I like this one. Thanks! Smile



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Next time, I’m adopting an elderly, three-legged Chihuahua.

Well, based on my experience with a tripod, the lack of a leg wouldn't slow a dog down any. They might have an awkward walk, but three-legged dogs can run just fine. When my previous boy, Atlas, had his amputation, people told us "A dog is born with three legs and a spare," and it's really true. "Elderly" would probably do the trick, though. Smile

I’m ready to notice that the days are literally getting longer. Any time now guys, Apollo, Helios, Surya, whoever.

We now have daylight at 5:00 p.m., noticeably later than around the solstice. We're about 44 degrees 50 minutes north latitude, a bit less than you in England. I can't tell you about *dawn*, but the days are clearly getting longer. There is hope!



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I think I have tried every sort of jewellry cleaner and whilst most get any gunk off, and relatively polish it, they all give the same result, even the home ultrasonic cleaners.
The only way i have ever gotten the underside of the stones in the ring clean (and I mean pristine dazzling clean) is to take it back to the jeweller and get them to clean it in their cleaner (which makes the back side of the stones look almost as spectacular as the front).
I have tried baking soda and vinegar (or is it water I can never remember - I will try and look it up for you) and its relatively successful with a toothbrush.
Re: But SHADOWS is still going [message #47439 is a reply to message #47427 ] Mon, 09 January 2012 06:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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when i click the link,i get page not found.In Quebec,it is almost 7 am and it is still pitch black out.it is -12 in the morning and we finally have a bit of snow,only a couple of inches though.Last year at this time we had about 3-4 feet.


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Re: But SHADOWS is still going [message #47440 is a reply to message #47427 ] Mon, 09 January 2012 08:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hope your lurgy departs more quickly than mine which started just after Christmas.

Everything is sounding muffled just now as my eustacian tubes are slightly blocked, except occaisionally when I yawn and they unblock briefly and I get a sudden wave of sound.
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If it’s alive, it’s probably an eagle. Unless we’re in a Thursday Next novel.

Grumpy Pickwick was one of my favourite parts of One of Our Thursdays is Missing. I'd love to hop inside a Thursday Next novel and poke around a bit.



I saw an owl once when I was living in Aberdeen of all places - no idea what kind it was, alas, just surprised to see it there. To be fair, that part of town sits rather close to a largeish park, but you don't even usually hear them anywhere in the city, much less see them. Seagulls, now that's another kettle of terrifyingly enormous fish...

Good to hear that Shadows is still going, and I hope the lurgy clears up posthaste!
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holmes44 wrote on Mon, 09 January 2012 06:46

when i click the link,i get page not found.

I also get the page not found haiku. However, there is a blog at http://robinmckinleysblog.com/2012/01/08/but-shadows-is-stil l-going/.

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We now have daylight at 5:00 p.m.,


You lucky thing! Sunrise here is still around 8.30....
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Kathy_S wrote on Mon, 09 January 2012 10:43

holmes44 wrote on Mon, 09 January 2012 06:46

when i click the link,i get page not found.

I also get the page not found haiku. However, there is a blog at http://robinmckinleysblog.com/2012/01/08/but-shadows-is-stil l-going/.



Oops...I pasted the title of the post where I should have pasted the URL. And then just now I accidentally clicked Edit on your previous message instead of Quote, which is why it's now showing that a mod has tampered with it. This is not an auspicious start to the week.
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Diane in MN wrote on Sun, 08 January 2012 21:28

Next time, I’m adopting an elderly, three-legged Chihuahua.

Well, based on my experience with a tripod, the lack of a leg wouldn't slow a dog down any. They might have an awkward walk, but three-legged dogs can run just fine. When my previous boy, Atlas, had his amputation, people told us "A dog is born with three legs and a spare," and it's really true. "Elderly" would probably do the trick, though. Smile!



This is what I get for not checking the blog and forum for a bit over a day... this is what *I* was going to write! Wink

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I rescued a small fluffy baby owl something a few years ago, sitting in the main road at the end of the mews’ drive, waiting for something to happen. What happened was that I got out of Wolfgang and moved it. What I remember is blogging that I’d pulled my sleeves down over my hands to pick it up and someone who knows more than I do posted to the forum that its mum wouldn’t have minded human smell on her offspring the way us mostly-clueless vague tree-hugging nature-lovers would expect

The smell part is true... but even baby owls have rather pointy sharp things on the ends of their feet and can be surprisingly good at grabbing things with them... having a layer or more of thick fabric between you and an owl is a good thing unless you know exactly how to handle it to keep from being hurt. Also, as a general rule, owls are much more likely than hawks and things to use the pointy end in the middle of their face to grab at things as well.

And I do love seeing barn owls waft overhead (partly because it's a lot harder to see things like great-horned owls and screech owls and the like at night, given their colouring (also they tend to be more crepuscular than nocturnal)) - it's always exciting to see a bird of prey, and doubly so to see an owl. Barn owls aren't my favourite owls, but they are one of the few I've seen in the wild and it's just magical.

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equus_peduus wrote on Mon, 09 January 2012 10:29


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I rescued a small fluffy baby owl something a few years ago, sitting in the main road at the end of the mews’ drive, waiting for something to happen. What happened was that I got out of Wolfgang and moved it. What I remember is blogging that I’d pulled my sleeves down over my hands to pick it up and someone who knows more than I do posted to the forum that its mum wouldn’t have minded human smell on her offspring the way us mostly-clueless vague tree-hugging nature-lovers would expect

The smell part is true... but even baby owls have rather pointy sharp things on the ends of their feet and can be surprisingly good at grabbing things with them... having a layer or more of thick fabric between you and an owl is a good thing unless you know exactly how to handle it to keep from being hurt. Also, as a general rule, owls are much more likely than hawks and things to use the pointy end in the middle of their face to grab at things as well.

And I do love seeing barn owls waft overhead (partly because it's a lot harder to see things like great-horned owls and screech owls and the like at night, given their colouring (also they tend to be more crepuscular than nocturnal)) - it's always exciting to see a bird of prey, and doubly so to see an owl. Barn owls aren't my favourite owls, but they are one of the few I've seen in the wild and it's just magical.

I was climbing at Hunter's Hill in Vallejo once and as I pulled up to a ledge a great horned owl took off. Since it was only a couple of feet from my face (if that) it took up the entire sky, bigger than a 747. Between being ninety feet up and the surprise the adrenaline spike was dramatic.
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I don't know for sure what sort of owl it was. I think it was a barn owl - the noises in the night were barn-owlish, rather than the tawny's "Tu-whit, tu-whoo" - but I wouldn't swear to it. And the owl was huge.

What my mother would swear by, though, is a mixture of gin and washing-up liquid in an egg-cup for cleaning her rings. I think you still have to scrub it with a soft brush, though.

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Joseph-ine wrote on Mon, 09 January 2012 01:06

I think I have tried every sort of jewellry cleaner and whilst most get any gunk off, and relatively polish it, they all give the same result, even the home ultrasonic cleaners.
The only way i have ever gotten the underside of the stones in the ring clean (and I mean pristine dazzling clean) is to take it back to the jeweller and get them to clean it in their cleaner (which makes the back side of the stones look almost as spectacular as the front).
I have tried baking soda and vinegar (or is it water I can never remember - I will try and look it up for you) and its relatively successful with a toothbrush.

In addition to the heat shock problem tourmalines are softer than many gemstones (only slightly harder then the ubiquitous quartz) and quite brittle so neither steam nor ultrasonic cleaners would be appropriate. I doubt that you would start a crack with a home ultrasonic cleaner but if there were any existing cracks (visible or otherwise) it might make them propagate.

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Mrs Redboots wrote on Mon, 09 January 2012 20:36

What my mother would swear by, though, is a mixture of gin and washing-up liquid in an egg-cup for cleaning her rings. I think you still have to scrub it with a soft brush, though.

I use washing-up liquid but I use those little tiny brushes one can buy for cleaning between one's teeth - interdental brushes? - for getting into the crevices on a ring. They work quite well if one doesn't push too hard and break them.


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AJLR wrote on Mon, 09 January 2012 16:42

Mrs Redboots wrote on Mon, 09 January 2012 20:36

What my mother would swear by, though, is a mixture of gin and washing-up liquid in an egg-cup for cleaning her rings. I think you still have to scrub it with a soft brush, though.

I use washing-up liquid but I use those little tiny brushes one can buy for cleaning between one's teeth - interdental brushes? - for getting into the crevices on a ring. They work quite well if one doesn't push too hard and break them.


I was once told toothpaste and toothbrush was a good way to clean rings. I don't use it for very soft stones like opal though, just in case!


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Actually toothpaste is not recommended... it can be too abrasive. Initially it might seem OK but over time, that excess wear can be a problem. I generally recommend Connoisseurs Jewelry Soap. It's pretty widely available, at Sears and Walmart for example. It's gentle enough to use on most things.

My grandmother used to soak jewelry in gin! She also used to boil vinegar, and put jewelry in that... I have a ring that belonged to my mother, that my grandmother had ruined by doing that to it. It was set with little pearls that are now little lumps of stuff.


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HorsehairBraider wrote on Mon, 09 January 2012 19:50

Actually toothpaste is not recommended... it can be too abrasive. Initially it might seem OK but over time, that excess wear can be a problem. I generally recommend Connoisseurs Jewelry Soap. It's pretty widely available, at Sears and Walmart for example. It's gentle enough to use on most things.

I wondered... I've stuck to just the (very) occasional clean of diamonds and sapphires (they're pretty tough anyway).
No doubt there is something safer that the professionals use here in Australia.


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Are barn owls common in CA, Equus? They're threatened here, and I've never seen one. One of the reasons I heard from a local wildlife expert was that the replacement in the midwest of old wooden barns with new steel pole barns in the last 20 years has caused sharp declines in population. The metal barns get much hotter at the upper levels in summer and don't stay as warm in winter, so the owls have fewer suitable nest sites and don't have their standard 2 broods per season anymore. Sad

We do, however, have healthy populations of their charming distant cousin, the barred owl, who flies in daytime on occasion and has fabulous vocalizations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5zc-NHIipw .


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Black Bear wrote on Mon, 09 January 2012 17:23

Are barn owls common in CA, Equus? They're threatened here, and I've never seen one. One of the reasons I heard from a local wildlife expert was that the replacement in the midwest of old wooden barns with new steel pole barns in the last 20 years has caused sharp declines in population. The metal barns get much hotter at the upper levels in summer and don't stay as warm in winter, so the owls have fewer suitable nest sites and don't have their standard 2 broods per season anymore. Sad


Yeah, barn owls are a dime a dozen in the Davis/Sacramento area of California, and I've seen several near here (eastern end of the Bay Area) which leads me to believe they're pretty common here too, since I don't actually go looking for them.

I find it really interesting how one area's common species is another's very rare species - I spent a month at the Minnesota Raptor Center, where they got all excited about barn owls, but barred owls and bald eagles were super common. I'm the other way around - where I learned about raptors and rehab, the barn owls are super common, while barred owls are almost nonexistent and bald eagles are pretty uncommon. Barn owls do nest in barns out here, and I see a fair number of nest boxes as I drive past orchards and such as well. They're kind of cavity nesters, so they'll probably take over anything of suitable size and accessibility. There used to be a pair that nested in the riding arena at the barn I rode at several years ago.

Of course, spotted owls are getting pretty uncommon all over... difficult to differentiate from barred owls if you aren't familiar with them, and so much more restricted in habitat.

Fun fact about barn owls: Their babies are some of the messiest, dirtiest, ugliest things you've ever seen, and they're noisy besides. But they grow up to be so pretty and soft...

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We do, however, have healthy populations of their charming distant cousin, the barred owl, who flies in daytime on occasion and has fabulous vocalizations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5zc-NHIipw .

My cat really really really wants to know what that weird noise is... Barn owl vocalizations though, are something else. Barn owl Fun fact about barn owls number the second: Screech owls are so called because people would hear the call of a barn owl, look around, and find the innocuous little screechie instead. (How they found the screech owl, which stands less than 8 inches tall, and is coloured like the trees, rather than the foot-plus tall white bird, I'm not quite sure. But this is what I was taught...). Screech owls have the cutest little trilling sound... Western screech owl. They're probably one of my favourite owls.

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Ah yes--Eastern Screech Owls regularly hunt along the canal I live next to. When I've got the windows open in summer I'll hear that little whinny-trill periodically, getting closer, then closer, then right outside, then farther away again... lovely! We've got lots of Great Horned in this area as well--a strong argument for keeping your cat indoors at night. I've known several people who've lost a pet that way. Sad


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Black Bear wrote on Mon, 09 January 2012 20:53

Ah yes--Eastern Screech Owls regularly hunt along the canal I live next to. When I've got the windows open in summer I'll hear that little whinny-trill periodically, getting closer, then closer, then right outside, then farther away again... lovely! We've got lots of Great Horned in this area as well--a strong argument for keeping your cat indoors at night. I've known several people who've lost a pet that way. Sad


Ah, OK, common misconception: that owls are positively huge, and can fly off with a cat, which weighs about 8 to 10 pounds. Great horned owls... the BIGGEST males... weigh in at 2.9 pounds. If you know anything about flight, you can not lift something in flight that weighs four times what you do. (Here is the source for owl biology.) It's a lot more likely the cats are being "gotten" by coyotes... or even dogs. But owls being able to pick them up and fly off with them? They physically CAN NOT do that.

Not that it stops people saying that. I've had a farmer look me straight in the eye, and claim that an eagle - at 8.9 pounds for the biggest golden you ever saw - picked up and carried off a 75 pound calf. (Source on eagle biology.) Yikes. That simply can not happen. If we loaded commercial airliners to that capacity, they would never get off the ground but instead crash at the end of the runway.

Birds of prey might *seem* very large, but remember: they are specially adapted to flight, and have hollow bones and other things to make them as light as possible. It would take a real, honest-to-goodness Roc to grab a calf and fly off with it.


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HorsehairBraider wrote on Tue, 10 January 2012 10:50

Actually toothpaste is not recommended... it can be too abrasive. Initially it might seem OK but over time, that excess wear can be a problem. I generally recommend Connoisseurs Jewelry Soap. It's pretty widely available, at Sears and Walmart for example. It's gentle enough to use on most things.

My grandmother used to soak jewelry in gin! She also used to boil vinegar, and put jewelry in that... I have a ring that belonged to my mother, that my grandmother had ruined by doing that to it. It was set with little pearls that are now little lumps of stuff.


Hmmm, methinks I would rather drink the gin, but who knows, its worth a shot on the harder stones. Yes the pearls should never be soaked - damp cloth to wipe and thats it - you can get good polishing cloths for the rest of the piece of jewellery.

As for opals, they can be a problem if you don't know which is which. I can't wear my opal doublet ring in hot water because it can make the doublet split (same with triplets) so it always has to come off, whereas if you are lucky enough to have a whole opal, it needs to have moisture and can take a shower or two. In some jewellers, they often have a little container of water sitting in the same cabinet as the opal jewellery. Thats to keep the opals happy!

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Jewelry cleaning--we tried all of the usual store-bought remedies, but the best solution we found was a local pawn-shop that cleans things & even straightens out dents for free.

Apparently the guy used to work for Jared's (or one of the other big-box jewelers) and hated it. So now he makes jewelry and cleans & tightens settings and all sorts of stuff, along with the usual pawn-shop business.

Probably doesn't help y'all that much, I admit....

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HorsehairBraider wrote on Mon, 09 January 2012 19:41

Great horned owls... the BIGGEST males... weigh in at 2.9 pounds.

In all raptors that I know about*, the female is larger and heavier than the male. In some cases, this is quite pronounced (the word "tiercel" (male falcon) comes from the fact that the male of several falcon species are up to a third smaller than the female (which, in strict falconry terms, is the falcon ... sort of like how a male dog is a dog but a female dog is a bitch). Owls, including great-horned owls, do have the same type of sexual dimorphism, though not as pronounced in falcons and accipiters (the forest hawks).

Great-horned owls do, however, have feet big enough to seriously injure a cat. They're not likely to try, as noted, but it can and has happened to both smaller cats and some of those tiny dogs. They're not likely to be taken away with... but injuries are possible. Raptor prey size is dictated by foot size, which is why the Swainson's hawk, not much smaller than a great-horned owl or a red-tailed hawk, tends to take insects and small rodents as prey, while the great-horned owl and red-tailed hawk can take squirrels and rabbits if it's so inclined. Though yes, probably most missing cats are due to coyotes, dogs, cars, deciding to adopt some other family, disease, sleeping inside car engines...

Sorry. I ramble.

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* New World vultures are generally classified as raptors, but they are not closely related to either the diurnal raptors (hawks, falcons, eagles, accipiters, kites, harriers and old world vultures+) or the owls+ (either of the Tytonidae (barn owl) or Strigidae (horned owl) versions). New World vultures are a case of convergent evolution - they have many of the same characteristics as Old World vultures (bare heads, cast-iron immune systems and digestive systems, etc), but they're actually storks. As such, they don't do the sexual dimorphism with size the same way that raptors do it... when there is any appreciable difference, they do it like most other birds (and animals in general) do it - the boys are bigger.

+ Terminology varies by location. I was taught that in England, accipiters are called hawks, and Buteo hawks are called buzzards. Which is not to be confused with the fact that the New World vultures are also called buzzards. Actually, it is to be confused with that, because it's again a case of mistaken identity...

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Re: But SHADOWS is still going [message #47484 is a reply to message #47427 ] Tue, 10 January 2012 01:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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For all the owl fans on this thread, especially the barn owl fans, I unreservedly recommend Wesley the Owl by Stacey O'Brien, the true story of an owl and his girl. I loved listening to the audio version and purchased the book for a friend. The photos really added to the story and should not be missed.

Robin, I hope you and the hellhounds recover soon. Is it possible they suffer from pancreatitis? My last Keeshond had pancreatitis and a very sensitive stomach.
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An owl book I liked (although it has the usual sad ending for wild animals tamed) is called Owls in the Family by Farley Mowatt. I'm fairly sure most of the dialogue is partly made up (no one remembers exact conversations that many years later) but the stories about the adventures of his two mostly free ranging great horned owls are quite interesting. He stole/rescued one owlet from a downed nest, the other he took away from some other boys who were tormenting it, raised the two of them and let them fly mostly free. He did this in the 40's/50's when people didn't care so much about rehabilitation and there were fewer laws about who could keep wild animals and how.
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Great Horned Owls are a major preditor of Skunks however. Grabbing them from above means that they don't get sprayed!


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HorsehairBraider wrote on Mon, 09 January 2012 22:41



Ah, OK, common misconception: that owls are positively huge, and can fly off with a cat, which weighs about 8 to 10 pounds. Great horned owls... the BIGGEST males... weigh in at 2.9 pounds. If you know anything about flight, you can not lift something in flight that weighs four times what you do. (Here is the source for owl biology.) It's a lot more likely the cats are being "gotten" by coyotes... or even dogs. But owls being able to pick them up and fly off with them? They physically CAN NOT do that.




Um. I'm sorry. But yes, they can. Wink

Great Horned Owls can and do take prey larger than themselves. One of their preferred prey in southern Indiana is skunks, which average 6-7 lbs. Smile They do occasionally take cats, though admittedly in the case of the person I know who lost two cats to owls (right in front of her eyes off the back patio, I'm sorry to say) those cats were fairly young and small at the time. You'd think she'd have learned after the first one to not let the cats out at night... Sad

You're probably right that they don't fly far with large prey--they often eat on the ground or on things like low fences and tree stumps. But they do kill and eat animals 2-3 x their own weight. Here's a link to my favorite animal info site, if you want to know more: http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/accounts/informat ion/Bubo_virginianus.html .

ETA--of course I responded before seeing other people had also weighed in with this info. What can I say, I'm an impulsive bear, when animal behavior is the topic! Smile

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Black Bear wrote on Fri, 13 January 2012 00:56

Great Horned Owls can and do take prey larger than themselves. One of their preferred prey in southern Indiana is skunks, which average 6-7 lbs. Smile They do occasionally take cats, though admittedly in the case of the person I know who lost two cats to owls (right in front of her eyes off the back patio, I'm sorry to say) those cats were fairly young and small at the time. You'd think she'd have learned after the first one to not let the cats out at night... Sad


Much as I like owl species generally, I am so happy we don't have Great Horned Owls in the UK..!


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On great horned owls: I was pretty curious about this, so I called up a wildlife biologist at Rocky Mountain Raptor Program (an organization that rehabilitates injured or sick raptors back into the wild) about the idea of owls flying away with such a heavy animal. She explained to me that yes, owls can certainly kill an animal larger than themselves. However they generally then feed on it on the ground. My neighbors have claimed that owls can pick up and carry away dogs and cats, the lady I spoke to said this was not possible as the physics of flight is not there for them to pick up and fly with such a heavy weight. She did say they can sort of drag things off, carrying it very close to the ground in skips and hops, and they will sometimes pull apart a prey animal to make it lighter so that there is a portion they can then carry off. She also said that certain owls seem to specialize in certain prey, and that they have discovered evidence that certain owls specialize in killing cats.

It certainly makes sense that an owl can pick up and fly away with a kitten. But the 14-pound cat that my neighbor lost, was most likely killed and carried away by a coyote.

I worry about this because I've had neighbors tell me they are going to shoot owls, blaming them for killing and carrying away their pet dog or cat, when it was most likely a coyote responsible and not an owl. With an owl there would be remains to find. Of course it's illegal to shoot them. But people get upset, believing (wrongly) that an owl can swoop down and fly off with a large cat or dog. They feel entitled to shoot the owl because they feel they are protecting their pet, whereas the best strategy, as Black Bear says, is to keep them inside at night.


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