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What makes a good heroine? [message #38508] Sun, 23 January 2011 13:22 Go to next message
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A lot of us came to Robin's writing because we were looking for good, strong, interesting female protagonists. So I just thought I'd throw it out there--who's your favorite of them, and why do you identify with/like them? Smile


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Re: What makes a good heroine? [message #38522 is a reply to message #38508 ] Sun, 23 January 2011 16:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, I didn't know that I was looking for a good strong female protagonist but when I picked up THE BLUE SWORD (the first of Robin's books that I read) I couldn't put it down again. Smile

I'm not sure I rationalised it so far as to know what I was looking for. I just knew that there was something immensely satisfying about the character and the story. I particularly liked the part where Harry is training for the laprun trials and is surprised by how quickly she is learning - or almost remembering - new skills. As someone who has spent many years in formal learning, that really appealed to me in all sorts of ways. Plus, anything with horses and swords and a positive, non-gory, attitude is a winner for me. Smile


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Re: What makes a good heroine? [message #38552 is a reply to message #38508 ] Sun, 23 January 2011 22:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've always liked Harry too, (she's probably my second favorite) but I think my very favorite is probably Peony. I know she's not the one with the sword and everything, and it is true that she sleeps through the climax, but I can't help feeling admiration for someone who's willing to just do whatever needs to be done, even if it's things like watching children and cleaning house, even if it's not exciting. Of course, if that's all she did, she would be a good person but probably not an interesting character, but on top of that she's also brave enough to volunteer to be bait. Just because somebody has to be. She doesn't go looking for trouble, she just copes. There's really something to be said for that.
Re: What makes a good heroine? [message #38578 is a reply to message #38508 ] Mon, 24 January 2011 16:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Harry is definitely a favorite of mine, but I probably identify more with Aerin. Harry's place in the world kind of steps up and grabs her, but Aerin has to work hard (and burn her fingers repeatedly) to make a space for herself.
Re: What makes a good heroine? [message #38584 is a reply to message #38508 ] Mon, 24 January 2011 19:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lissar has always been my favorite hero (I hate the word "heroine!"). She gets through the dark stuff and comes out whole and truly herself on the other side.
Re: What makes a good heroine? [message #38610 is a reply to message #38522 ] Tue, 25 January 2011 17:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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what AJLR said! Harry and Lissar, and not just because of the horses and dogs... Smile


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Re: What makes a good heroine? [message #39011 is a reply to message #38508 ] Thu, 03 February 2011 23:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I like that Robin's heroines (and good supporting female characters) can still be very feminine even though they are doing amazing things (Rae likes to bake, a stereotypically feminine activity, there are often pretty dresses, etc.). And that they are not superheroes.
I tend to be a "love the sidekick" reader anyway, so I really like Beauty's sisters (and that Robin made them nice and not evil!) in Beauty, for example. I love Katriona doing her best to care for baby Rosie (Spindle's End) by giving her the baby magic of speaking to animals--she's very nurturing, mothering, but she manages to get wild animals to feed the baby milk!


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Re: What makes a good heroine? [message #39339 is a reply to message #38508 ] Sat, 12 February 2011 19:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think I reread Hero and the Crown most often; I love Aerin and how she works so hard. I like all of Robin's main characters, but I come back to this book over and over again.
Re: What makes a good heroine? [message #39572 is a reply to message #38508 ] Mon, 21 February 2011 01:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think the thing I love most about all Robin's heroines is that they not only do impossible things, they know they're impossible. They acknowledge the difficulty and usually (but not always) the scale of what they're trying to do, and then they do it anyway.

My favorite, if I had to pick one, is Katriona in Spindle's End. But maybe that's because Spindle's End was my first Robin McKinley book. Or because she's not, technically speaking, "the heroine," and so it's easier to separate her out.

The real answer that I like them all, and have identified with most of them at some point or another.
Re: What makes a good heroine? [message #39580 is a reply to message #39572 ] Mon, 21 February 2011 09:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, Kat's the heroine at the beginning! Smile I remember being pleased that Kat didn't just drop out of the story when Rosie started to take center stage; I felt very attached to her after those first chapters.


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Re: What makes a good heroine? [message #39611 is a reply to message #38508 ] Tue, 22 February 2011 12:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Strong heroines have always been a requirement for me. When I was younger I had a prejudice against male protagonists because how could I identify with a guy, you know? That has since fallen to the wayside but female leads are still my preference.

For me, Aerin and Lissar are my favorite heroines from Robin's writing. Aerin for exactly what Shalea said, Aerin has to work for her place in the world and I appreciate the drive and empowerment she represents to women readers but Lissar stands out for me in a different way. Lissar goes through this trauma and she (understandably) runs from it. But she still has the strength to confront all that horror and for that I think she makes a great heroine.


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Re: What makes a good heroine? [message #39678 is a reply to message #38508 ] Thu, 24 February 2011 13:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have to say that my favorite of them all is Sunshine, for the amazing realism of her. She's also the first strong heroine of a story that *I* didn't identify with--in fact, I felt the entire time as if I was finally reading a story where my best friend Milly would have been the hero of the story. I loved how the entire time that she has to do these impossible-but-still-has-to-happen-anyway tasks that she relates to us how scared witless she is most of the time, and yet, you know as a Reader Of Stories that if a third person narrator had related these deeds, they would have come off as brave, valiant, and stubborn. That's what so wonderful about the way Robin writes--she really always seems to write from the perfect perspective that makes the novel what it is, and not some other story.

But, the heroine I've always felt I could identify the most is Beauty from Beauty (though not from Rose Daughter oddly enough). I think that the strong resonances with my own (recent haha) childhood is what makes me feel like I've read the story when I was much younger, even though I'm almost positive I did not.
Re: What makes a good heroine? [message #42451 is a reply to message #38508 ] Wed, 01 June 2011 13:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I love the way all of Robin's hero's are confident about themselves. I always seem to second-guess myself too often and its refreshing to step into her confident characters.

Somehow I'd missed reading A Knot in the Grain and was startled to find a character that sounded just like me. I really wish I was like Harry (and I married a man awfully like Corlath) but young Coral in Buttercups is an almost exact description (of me) from the long brown braid to the family with questionable issues... and definitely the joy at being loved and loving. And diving into work at something not known previously. Oh... and even keeping something treasured from her past, which would be books for me. The story is so short and written from the farmer's perspective... and I'm not even sure how likeable she actually is. Ha.
Re: What makes a good heroine? [message #42564 is a reply to message #38508 ] Wed, 08 June 2011 04:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Reading this post has really made me think and I'm thankful for that! I have loved reading these books for so long that I feel they're a part of me and now I wonder how much of them truly are? I think I yearn to be like Aerin - strong and quiet and oh so brave. Yet I think that the part of me that moved to another country all alone and was forced to learn a new language and culture was always comparing myself to Harry, always thinking "I can do it, with or without the kelar." How funny that now I'm thinking of this, and wondering if in a new stage of my life I'm more like a different character, or if the central force of all the characters is their strength - which draws me in and makes the books both believable and attractive to me - and is the aspect of myself I'm either most proud of or most want to build on, or both at once. Anyway, having first read the Damar books at a young age spoiled me in a very good way, adding a requirement for books I read to have the main character be strong, honest, self-deprecating, and likable. Huh, and has made me be that way too (although I always hoped I'd turn soft-spoken as well. Maybe Ms. McKinley can write about a bossy know-it-all next and I'll feel better represented!!!)
Re: What makes a good heroine? [message #46516 is a reply to message #38508 ] Thu, 24 November 2011 12:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have had moments of extreme jealously towards Harry. She managed to adjust to her new culture and learn the language must faster than I have. That said, she has always been my number 1 book hero.
Re: What makes a good heroine? [message #47231 is a reply to message #38508 ] Sun, 01 January 2012 17:51 Go to previous message
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Lissar, I think. Because she keeps going and going with the puppies even when there's no hope.
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