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Tra la la etc revisited [message #21934] Tue, 20 October 2009 19:41 Go to next message
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Tra la la etc revisited

[Updated on: Wed, 21 October 2009 06:35] by Moderator


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Re: Tra la la ect revisited [message #21938 is a reply to message #21934 ] Tue, 20 October 2009 20:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Woohoo! Yay singing! How wonderful.
And new sheet music?! Oooh.
Also. Holliston? Isn't that near Natick? I think I remember seeing it on a sign. Maybe.
Re: Tra la la ect revisited [message #21940 is a reply to message #21934 ] Tue, 20 October 2009 21:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OOOO NEW MUSIC. I am such a sucker for new music.

If you haven't found out about these already you will probably like them. http://www.cdsheetmusic.com/ It's sheet music of various composers that is in the public domain that you can buy on a CD and then print out as many copies as you like. Most of it is NOT in English, but some of it is. So you can get the complete Schubert Lieder (for instance) for $20. There's piano CD sheet music as well.

~Annagail, diving back into Norma
Re: Tra la la ect revisited [message #21942 is a reply to message #21934 ] Wed, 21 October 2009 00:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What new sheet music did you receive?

Days when I have the chance to sing are always happy ones.
Re: Tra la la ect revisited [message #21943 is a reply to message #21934 ] Wed, 21 October 2009 01:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Robin said: I used to live in Holliston, Massachusetts.

My mother grew up in Hudson, MA and my cousin lived in Holliston for awhile before moving back to Hudson.
Re: Tra la la etc revisited [message #21946 is a reply to message #21934 ] Wed, 21 October 2009 11:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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†† Wake up! Wake up! The Black Riders/the Borg/the Colour Out of Space is coming! Snoooooore.

My husband has literally slept through a hurricane bouncing largish trees off of the (luckily old, solid, and brick) townhouse we lived in at the time.
Re: Tra la la etc revisited [message #21948 is a reply to message #21934 ] Wed, 21 October 2009 12:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Singing through your eyes--reminds me of my Yoga teacher who is always telling me to breathe through my feet!
Re: Tra la la ect revisited [message #21963 is a reply to message #21938 ] Wed, 21 October 2009 19:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Pretty near. Yup.

Yes. WHOSE BRIGHT IDEA WAS PERFECT BOUND SHEET MUSIC FOR GODSSAKE???? So the first thing you have to do is open it, turn it upside down and JUMP ON IT a few times so it'll LIE FLAT. GRRRRRRRRR.
Re: Tra la la ect revisited [message #21964 is a reply to message #21940 ] Wed, 21 October 2009 19:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OH YELP. I think I'm SORRY you posted that. . . have just been looking at the Complete Mezzo Soprano . . . I don't think I'm quite up to real lieder yet.
Re: Tra la la etc revisited [message #21966 is a reply to message #21948 ] Wed, 21 October 2009 19:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes. Which ALSO made perfect sense at the time.
Re: Tra la la ect revisited [message #21968 is a reply to message #21963 ] Wed, 21 October 2009 19:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Robin wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 19:24

Pretty near. Yup.

Yes. WHOSE BRIGHT IDEA WAS PERFECT BOUND SHEET MUSIC FOR GODSSAKE???? So the first thing you have to do is open it, turn it upside down and JUMP ON IT a few times so it'll LIE FLAT. GRRRRRRRRR.


Yucko.

I recently got a nice book of flute music that's spiral bound. Thank you to whatever clever person had that obvious solution.


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Re: Tra la la ect revisited [message #21977 is a reply to message #21968 ] Wed, 21 October 2009 20:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You would think so, wouldn't you? I've got other stuff spiral bound too. Maybe I'll just stick to music that *comes spiral bound*. Frell.
Re: Tra la la ect revisited [message #21978 is a reply to message #21963 ] Wed, 21 October 2009 20:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hmm. I think I read something about that. Somewhere.
Something. Let me look. I think there's a solution...
Re: Tra la la ect revisited [message #21982 is a reply to message #21978 ] Wed, 21 October 2009 20:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You mean OTHER than tearing it apart and having a lot of LOOSE PAGES THAT GET LOST?
Re: Tra la la ect revisited [message #21987 is a reply to message #21982 ] Wed, 21 October 2009 20:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes.
I KNOW I read something fairly recently. I am currently Googling variations on sheet music binding lies flat lay-flat binding etc.

The other option would be a binder and 3-hole punch. What my voice teacher had me do. Also in choirs, we always have our music in those black binders, hole-punched, double sided. And generally that works- if it is a matter of paper flopping over, then paper clips might do the trick, too.

I'll keep looking, though, for whatever it was.

EDIT:
I found what I was thinking of, but I don't know how helpful it is.
[From the 26 italian arias book... the back cover talks about how they have the pages sewn together specially 'in multiples of sixteen, which prevents pages from falling out, while allowing the book to stay open for ease in playing'. So now you know that -whatsit- Alfred Publishing Co. does this for next time.. but what about now. I've found some potentially useful things that I'm sorting through, will post links shortly.]


Edit 3:
Just to brighten your day... at least you aren't singing from something that looks like this Tibetan musical score...

[Updated on: Wed, 21 October 2009 21:25]

Re: Tra la la etc revisited [message #21990 is a reply to message #21934 ] Wed, 21 October 2009 21:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I believe I have posted here that on my top ten of Least Favourite Things is stepping in someone else’s dog crap while you’re picking up your own. I came out of this little encounter with someone else’s dog crap on the bottoms of both shoes.

Been there, done that, spent the half hour attempting to clean said shoes in the hotel bathroom. . . Fortunately one can use Very Bad Language and call down hideous fates on the head of the offending dog owner without being heard by anyone. Aaargh. It would have served the idiot right if you had accidentally dropped your biodegradable crap bag on the head of one of his dogs. . .
By the way, kudos to you for holding on to TWO extension leads with one hand. It's easy enough to drop just one under circumstances like that. That's one reason I don't use them.

it’s a tremendously moving piece, He Was Despised from Handel’s Messiah. Anyone who isn’t sick to frelling death of the Messiah—which I know does happen, but I’m grateful that it hasn’t happened to me—knows this.

Yes. It's a gorgeous piece. I think it's great that you get to learn on a piece of wonderful music, instead of something simpleminded and stupid and boring. You are lucky in your music teachers!



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Re: Tra la la ect revisited [message #21992 is a reply to message #21982 ] Wed, 21 October 2009 21:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Robin wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 20:46

You mean OTHER than tearing it apart and having a lot of LOOSE PAGES THAT GET LOST?


I know a lot of knitters buy pattern books, only to have them rebound with spirals. I'm sure some of them just learn to do it themselves.

Really, there's a place for bound bound, and then there are times when it's just a Bad Idea. Sheet music, patterns, recipes...


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Re: Tra la la ect revisited [message #21996 is a reply to message #21992 ] Wed, 21 October 2009 22:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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www.levenger.com has a technology called "Circa" that you can use to bind things in a lay flat manner. Basically a multi-ring binder with just the rings and no binder.
Re: Tra la la ect revisited [message #21999 is a reply to message #21982 ] Wed, 21 October 2009 22:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Robin wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 20:46

You mean OTHER than tearing it apart and having a lot of LOOSE PAGES THAT GET LOST?


We violinists have that problem with our editions of Bach Sonatas & Partitas. My teacher has come up with a solution, though. She takes hers down to the local copy/printing shop, has them lop off the binding, and then use a nice spiral binding. (With plastic covers as well, which really helps, considering how much abuse a Bach edition usually ends up taking.) Several of us now have nice spiral copies of the Bach Sonatas & Partitas. Much better than the original.


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Re: Tra la la ect revisited [message #22016 is a reply to message #21987 ] Thu, 22 October 2009 09:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The problem with the binder and the three-hole punch is taking the wretched book apart *neatly* enough to be ABLE to . . . and then the whole faff of doing it . . . arrrgh. (It's a big THICK book and ALSO will not lie flat enough to photocopy. Which is also illegal of course.)

My old Italian 'Arie' book lies flat from having been jumped on many, many times. It was old and beat up when *I* got hold of it thirty years ago.
Re: Tra la la etc revisited [message #22017 is a reply to message #21990 ] Thu, 22 October 2009 09:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am VERY lucky in my music teachers. I don't know how they stand listening to beautiful pieces of music being *tortured*--I know, I know, teachers hear the IMPROVEMENT, but I'm still never going to sound like Marilyn Horne or Angela Hewitt--but I acknowledge it's a very good way to keep someone like me interested and trying.
Re: Tra la la ect revisited [message #22018 is a reply to message #21992 ] Thu, 22 October 2009 09:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There isn't enough margin!!!!! --Well, maybe there is [examining it]. Hmmph. And this is even Schirmer, who you'd think would UNDERSTAND. I also object to the idea that I'm supposed to spend all this extra time and money because THEY'RE incompetent!!!!!

And recipes--*yes*. HOw many people do I know who PREFER to print stuff off the internet, and then punch holes and put it in their binder. . . .
Re: Tra la la ect revisited [message #22020 is a reply to message #21999 ] Thu, 22 October 2009 09:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Okay, now that's an idea. If some PROFESSIONAL will NEATLY lop off the binding I can invest in the plastic envelopes with the three holes to put the pages that I can then put in my binder. Hmm. This has possibilities. Especially because I've been thinking I need to start doing this with the loose pages I've ALREADY got.
Re: Tra la la etc revisited [message #22024 is a reply to message #21934 ] Thu, 22 October 2009 10:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've taken to photocopying knitting patterns - just one piece of paper that will fold up neatly and go into the little bag with all the knitting oddments one needs. Much better than carting round a large book, or even a magazine, and keeps the original clean & tidy for next time. Maybe that would work with sheet music?


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Re: Tra la la ect revisited [message #22025 is a reply to message #22018 ] Thu, 22 October 2009 10:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Robin wrote on Thu, 22 October 2009 09:10

There isn't enough margin!!!!! --Well, maybe there is [examining it]. Hmmph. And this is even Schirmer, who you'd think would UNDERSTAND. I also object to the idea that I'm supposed to spend all this extra time and money because THEY'RE incompetent!!!!!

Heh. Schirmer is actually known in music circles for having cheap and somewhat inaccurate editions of music. Schirmer and International both tend to have interesting mistakes in the music. Brietkopf & Hartel and Barenreiter tend to have really good editions, but they're more expensive. (You practically have to take out a loan to purchase the Beethoven Piano and Violin sonatas. Smile ) Boosey & Hawkes tend to be hit and miss as far as quality of edition. (Their Bartok editions are pretty pricey.) Anyway, if you're buying Schirmer, they tend to try cut costs as much as possible, occasionally at the expense of the resulting music. (Don't get me wrong... I've used Schirmer editions, too.)

Of course, if you're buying collections of music, you usually don't have a choice of which publisher to buy from.


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Re: Tra la la etc revisited [message #22032 is a reply to message #21934 ] Thu, 22 October 2009 17:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi,
This is off topic, but I just found the citation. I thought those of you who suffer from CFS might find it interesting.
Chris


The source is:
http://www.sciencemag.org/sciencexpress (This link is not coming across correctly in the message. Google Science Express)

Publication date: 9 October 2009

Detection of an Infectious Retrovirus, XMRV, in Blood Cells of Patients with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
Vincent C. Lombardi,1,* Francis W. Ruscetti,2,* Jaydip Das Gupta,3 Max A. Pfost,1 Kathryn S. Hagen,1 Daniel L. Peterson,1 Sandra K. Ruscetti,4 Rachel K. Bagni,5 Cari Petrow-Sadowski,6 Bert Gold,2 Michael Dean,2 Robert H. Silverman,3 Judy A. Mikovits1,

Chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) is a debilitating disease of unknown etiology that is estimated to affect 17 million people worldwide. Studying peripheral blood mononuclear cells (PBMCs) from CFS patients, we identified DNA from a human gammaretrovirus, xenotropic murine leukemia virus–related virus (XMRV), in 68 of 101 patients (67%) as compared to 8 of 218 (3.7%) healthy controls. Cell culture experiments revealed that patient-derived XMRV is infectious and that both cell-associated and cell-free transmission of the virus are possible. Secondary viral infections were established in uninfected primary lymphocytes and indicator cell lines after their exposure to activated PBMCs, B cells, T cells, or plasma derived from CFS patients. These findings raise the possibility that XMRV may be a contributing factor in the pathogenesis of CFS.


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Re: Tra la la ect revisited [message #22039 is a reply to message #22025 ] Thu, 22 October 2009 19:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sigh. Stuff I didn't know. Stuff I . . . didn't know I needed to know. :) I could have asked Oisin (who is also a sheet music store) but I'm afraid he's going to needle me about singing for him. And the POINT was that it's just a big fat book of mezzo-soprano arias and songs so I can, you know, *frolic* a little and see which way I might want to go.

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Yes. There was a very interesting op ed piece in the NY Times about this that Blogmom sent me the link to. I'll try to REMEMBER (ME known for memory problems . . . ) to post it tomorrow.
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