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Wed, 01 April 2009 19:03  |
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You Win Some...
Smooshes!
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| Re: You Win Some... [message #14022 is a reply to message #14016 ] |
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In my English, pop is something that corn and corks do but the British pop round to the shops or pop round to see a friend which always gives me brief lurid visions of whole streetfuls of people spiking along as on pogo sticks.
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*snork* Yes. "Pop round" gave me the image of you sneaking about like a cartoon spy -- popping your head around the corner to check that the coast is clear.
Glad the physio was nice, but Darkness, really! *sigh*
Smooshes!
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| Re: You Win Some... [message #14052 is a reply to message #14016 ] |
Wed, 01 April 2009 21:57 |
 skating librarian
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What exactly is the story behind pop goes the weasel? Yes, I know how to look it up, but I wonder if there is some Britishism with which I am unfamiliar, as I have no idea what a pop shop is ... For me pop is a sudden upwards movement, a punching motion, another word for a fizzy non alcoholic beverage, or an alternative name for Dad. Oh and an onomatopoeic description of the sound made by opening a bottle of champagne or resettling a dislocated shoulder.
Does Wolfgang have a hatchback? I see the various marketers of pet paraphernalia have cute little aluminum ramps for dogs.
Thank goodness the sun was shining!
I have thought that the only reason I would ever want a GPS would be to locate gas stations in unfamiliar territory. I'll bet they don't tell you whether or not they are open, I guess for that you need a cell phone, something else I don't have.
"Winning a war is like winning an earthquake" Jeanette Rankin
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| Re: You Win Some... [message #14055 is a reply to message #14036 ] |
Wed, 01 April 2009 22:13 |
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Black Bear
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| southdowner wrote on Wed, 01 April 2009 19:45 |
You mean Americans don't pop? Up to London, in for a cup of tea, out to lunch? ...and of course on the nose (tho that one I haven't done personally lol)
... and the "pop shop" as in pop goes the weasel?
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Wait, what are YOU picturing the weasel doing? 
There'sthe noun meaning of pop, too--which is extremely regional in the US. Pop is a verb of sudden and unexpected action here, balloons and bubbles pop when they break. Which is why soda is generically referred to as "pop" in parts of the US. Around here, "pop" generally only refers to fruit flavored sodas, but elsewhere it can mean cola or 7-UP or whatever as well.
And a "popover" is a tasty baked good here. There too?
"The time is always right to do what's right."--MLK Jr.
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| Re: You Win Some... [message #14056 is a reply to message #14036 ] |
Wed, 01 April 2009 22:30 |
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| southdowner wrote on Wed, 01 April 2009 18:45 |
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You mean Americans don't pop? Up to London, in for a cup of tea, out to lunch? ...and of course on the nose (tho that one I haven't done personally lol)
... and the "pop shop" as in pop goes the weasel?
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I think we do stuff like dash, run out to, drop in, drop by, stop by, etc. I've lived in Japan, Hawaii, California, Washington, Georgia, Indiana, Michigan, and now Florida, and we don't pop, not that I've heard, anyway.
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| Re: You Win Some... [message #14068 is a reply to message #14016 ] |
Thu, 02 April 2009 02:22 |
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No. Still no stairs. There’s a conspiracy. I know there is. Although why there should be a conspiracy to prevent the installation of stairs in what are trying to become ex-bungalows in small villages in Hampshire, my usually fervid imagination can produce no clue.
I know that was probably a rhetorical question, but I think I might have an answer: Stairs are really difficult to figure out how high to make each step, and they need to be exactly the same for safety. So they wait till the end, when all the various layers of floor are laid, to measure the exact height the stairs span, and then divide that number by the number of steps.
To change the topic entirely, I recently finished reading Chalice. I was wondering why fantasy books like that are always set in a male-dominated monarchy with a strict hierarchy? Is it possible to do fantasy in a democracy? (I realize the Chalice is female, but the ruler is not only male, but birth order matters over and above all sense. Why? Is it just because our past was like that? Well, it's a fantasy, isn't it?) anyway, I was just wondering....
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| Re: You Win Some... [message #14095 is a reply to message #14016 ] |
Thu, 02 April 2009 12:48 |
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Where I grew up, 'pop' was a carbonated beverage.
It sounds like Darkness was paying you back, both for the physio AND the plants you keep putting on his crate.
LOL.
Without Chaos, there can be no Order.
Semper Fi, Once a Marine, Always a Marine.
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| Re: You Win Some... [message #14098 is a reply to message #14052 ] |
Thu, 02 April 2009 14:04 |
Nurse Jane
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I remember learning that the song "Pop goes the weasel" was about winding thread or yard...when the spool had the correct number of yards a "weasel" would "pop" to let the weaver know to change the spool.
I think the children who worked in the manufacturing plants made up the song.
Now I'll have to check to see if my memory is right!
When in trouble or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout.
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| Re: You Win Some... [message #14121 is a reply to message #14098 ] |
Thu, 02 April 2009 17:48 |
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I always understood "popping" was pawning items to get cash, but there doesn't seem to be proof of either theory...
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'Popping' is a slang term for pawning, i.e. depositing articles with a pawnbroker in return for money. Weasel may be a corruption of whistle - in cockney rhyming slang 'whistle and flute' i.e. suit. It could also be from another example of CRS, i.e. 'weasel and stoat' -> coat.
The Eagle was a London pub, near the City Road, and a later Eagle pub still exists on the site. The lyrics of the rhyme -
Up and down the City Road,
in and out of The Eagle,
that's the way the money goes,
pop goes the weasel
describe spending all your money on drink in the pub and subsequently pawning your suit to raise some more. The pawning and popping explanation seem to fit the meaning of the song and the rest of the lyrics (of the English version at least), so many like to believe it is the origin. For that even to be considered there would need to be a citation that pre-dates 1853 and there's no sign of that at present.
Just for completeness, there's also a theory that the weasel refers to a weaver's shuttle, which makes a popping sound when the loom is in use. Again, this is mere speculation and there's no supporting evidence for it.
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Someone says "pie" and we all go on alert, like meercats. "Pie? Where?" - Blackbear
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| Re: You Win Some... [message #14152 is a reply to message #14121 ] |
Fri, 03 April 2009 00:08 |
niakix
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| southdowner wrote on Thu, 02 April 2009 14:48 |
I always understood "popping" was pawning items to get cash, but there doesn't seem to be proof of either theory...
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'Popping' is a slang term for pawning, i.e. depositing articles with a pawnbroker in return for money. Weasel may be a corruption of whistle - in cockney rhyming slang 'whistle and flute' i.e. suit. It could also be from another example of CRS, i.e. 'weasel and stoat' -> coat.
The Eagle was a London pub, near the City Road, and a later Eagle pub still exists on the site. The lyrics of the rhyme -
Up and down the City Road,
in and out of The Eagle,
that's the way the money goes,
pop goes the weasel
describe spending all your money on drink in the pub and subsequently pawning your suit to raise some more. The pawning and popping explanation seem to fit the meaning of the song and the rest of the lyrics (of the English version at least), so many like to believe it is the origin. For that even to be considered there would need to be a citation that pre-dates 1853 and there's no sign of that at present.
Just for completeness, there's also a theory that the weasel refers to a weaver's shuttle, which makes a popping sound when the loom is in use. Again, this is mere speculation and there's no supporting evidence for it.
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HMM--I suppose all of our "American" puritan ancestors must have changed the lyrics
a penny for a spool of thread,
a penny for a needle,
that's the way the money goes,
pop goes the weasel.
that's the second verse, and of course the first verse is about the mulberry bush, which could be a reference to mulberry wine? interesting how the song has changed with the country. then again, those lyrics WOULD go with small fingers in a sweat shop, wouldn't they? (in ref. to someone else's post. . . .)
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| Re: You Win Some... [message #14153 is a reply to message #14046 ] |
Fri, 03 April 2009 00:12 |
niakix
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| BlueRose wrote on Wed, 01 April 2009 18:15 |
re the Earthwool - cool idea
Im getting recycled wool insulation (similar concept) installed on the 14th, both ceiling and underfloor.
http://www.terralana.co.nz/products/building/1588.html
Natural, enviro friendly and doesnt emit nasty gases. And thanks to a govt deal, affordable!
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I really like the part about recycled glass bottles! course, we live in state university town, with budget cuts for the U at around 30 percent (ulp), so all of our dreams for a tiny, tidy, ecofriendly cottage are. . . dripping away with the rest of this slushy spring! Is it snowing everywhere else? We have 3 inches right now--I think it is the weather responding to the "challenging economy"--mother nature's way of getting the former p.bush back for his infamous statement that the economy is more important than ecology.
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| Re: You Win Some... [message #14163 is a reply to message #14152 ] |
Fri, 03 April 2009 08:31 |
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Mrs Redboots
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| niakix wrote on Fri, 03 April 2009 05:08 |
HMM--I suppose all of our "American" puritan ancestors must have changed the lyrics
a penny for a spool of thread,
a penny for a needle,
that's the way the money goes,
pop goes the weasel.
that's the second verse, and of course the first verse is about the mulberry bush, which could be a reference to mulberry wine? interesting how the song has changed with the country. then again, those lyrics WOULD go with small fingers in a sweat shop, wouldn't they? (in ref. to someone else's post. . . .)
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Hang on, what's your first verse, then? The only alternative I know (UK) is:
Half a pound of tuppenny rice,
Half a pound of treacle.
Mix it up and make it nice,
Pop goes the weasel!
Probably the song has lots of different version.
But yes, I will pop out to Tesco's (I ought to, later on!) and perhaps pop the result into the oven.....
Mrs Redboots
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| Re: You Win Some... [message #14220 is a reply to message #14016 ] |
Sat, 04 April 2009 16:22 |
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No cobblers in my version, either, and it's all one verse, since the 3rd line has a different tune from the first:
Round and round the mulberry bush, the monkey chased the weasel.
The monkey thought it was all in fun. Pop! Goes the weasel.
A penny for a spool of thread, a penny for a needle,
That's the way the money goes. Pop! Goes the weasel.
What I want to know is how the mulberry shrank from a tree to a bush!
Popping in, out, over or up sound fairly normal to me, though popping down is a bit peculiar, except perhaps for prairie dogs. Maybe if it's "down" as in "downtown?" Whatever the direction, it involves an ultra-short visit or sudden action. You might pop into the store for a loaf of bread, but not for the week's groceries. It shouldn't take more than a second to pop something into the oven. And of course, situations that pop up do so suddenly. Otherwise, pop is limited to the likes of soda-pop, popcorn, and popovers.
I did notice when younger people started to bop up/down/wherever instead of popping, but get the impression that bopping is less spontaneous. The poppers rarely agonize over what to wear before popping, and are less likely to be moving in rhythm to earphones.
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| Re: You Win Some... [message #14241 is a reply to message #14016 ] |
Sat, 04 April 2009 20:35 |
skating librarian
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The web has a variety of sites with info on weasels popping. Yes to the pawn shop, and children working in spinning factories ... but it seems the first time it appeared in print it was as a jig, music for a dance. Who knew.
"Winning a war is like winning an earthquake" Jeanette Rankin
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